lichtgilphead Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 ^^^^WTF? I didn't quote Malky & I didn't say any of that. Are you drunk? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: ^^^^WTF? I didn't quote Malky & I didn't say any of that. Are you drunk? You did. I simply quoted the Express article that Malky quoted and to which you responded. You probably didn't read it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Look at what you posted, you fool. The whole thing is in a quote box saying " 36 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said:" The Express uses statistics in an inappropriate manner and adds a few half truths to paint a misleading picture. You can quote me on that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: Look at what you posted, you fool. The whole thing is in a quote box saying " 36 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said:" The Express uses statistics in an inappropriate manner and adds a few half truths to paint a misleading picture. You can quote me on that. I did. I also quoted from the same Express article that got you so riled. Worth quoting again: "Andrew Mavers said: “As Conservatives deliver largest cash boost in a generation for English education, in Scotland, education - once envy of the world - remains on the slide under the SNP. Distracted by pursuit of grievances, they have failed a generation.” Still, bang on about quartile and quintiles and mentioning Malky in a post whilst claiming you're not quoting him. All immaterial. The Natters are ruining Scotland. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Tory MP’s intern says Tories are good and SNP are bad! Hard to know how anyone will recover from this bombshell of a development. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Only in Nicola's mind. Talk about a one track record!!For a happy dog, you're a bit of a miserable git. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, lichtgilphead said: Huge, long winded post of spinning nonsense TL:DR However this article is as balanced as it is spot on https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/the-snp-is-failing-scotlands-schoolchildren-education-nicola-sturgeon If I can quote the final paragraph Quote Real change will not be easy. The SNP has already pulled one education bill—which would, among other measures, have created new regional education boards—in the face of professional and local authority opposition. New ideas and fresh thinking are notable for their absence and the suspicion lingers that for all the rhetoric, the SNP is still reluctant to accept the true scale of the problem. SNP politicians, led by Sturgeon, routinely accuse critics of “talking down” Scotland’s children whenever problems or shortcomings are raised; opposition is not just misplaced, it is in some sense indecent too. That too hints at a government, and a system, with a problem. As “top priorities” go, this one is not going very well Here's another one on Scotland's lowest ever ranking on the PISA Results in Science and Maths https://inews.co.uk/news/scotland/pisa-results-2019-scotland-worst-ever-performance-science-maths-1331557 Quote The Programme for International Student Assessment (Pisa) report saw Scotland achieve its lowest scores in maths and science since it first took part in the survey almost 20 years ago. Quote The figures also showed that Scottish pupils are trailing their peers in England in all three areas, where average scores for reading, maths and science were 505, 504 and 507 respectively. And this was in Nicola Sturgeons "top priority" in politics. Failing the nation. Devoid of ideas. Woefully incompetent across all area's of government. No wonder they can't convince 55% of Scots that we should go it alone. Edited January 30, 2020 by Malky3 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 And whilst I am providing reading material for the Nationalist cultists to try to spin on it's head. Here's an article from The Economist https://www.economist.com/britain/2020/01/25/alex-salmonds-trial-will-coincide-with-a-reassessment-of-the-snps-record From which we can extrapolate this Quote Nor is the Scottish economy anything to shout about. Its growth rate lags Britain’s and the Scottish government puts the nation’s notional deficit at £12.6bn, or 7% of gdp, compared with 1.1% for Britain as a whole. Scotland has fewer businesses per head than any other part of the country, save for north-east England. Its businesses pull in less revenue than those in the West Midlands, which has a similar population; it has only a little over half the proportion of earners in the highest income tax bracket as in the rest of the uk. Scotland has slipped into the bottom half of the Index of Social and Economic Wellbeing produced by Scottish Trends, an economics consultancy. It now sits alongside Slovenia. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 And this was in Nicola Sturgeons "top priority" in politics. Failing the nation. Devoid of ideas. Woefully incompetent across all area's of government. No wonder they can't convince 55% of Scots that we should go it alone. And the opposition are barely able to muster 20%. Unlucky. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 And this was in Nicola Sturgeons "top priority" in politics. Failing the nation. Devoid of ideas. Woefully incompetent across all area's of government. No wonder they can't convince 55% of Scots that we should go it alone. In what way are post independence Scotland and the governance of Nicola Sturgeon intrinsically linked? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) Regarding the Pisa assessments, you don't have to look far to find criticisms of it's methodology, not here but internationally. https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/problems-with-pisa-why-canadians-should-be-skeptical-of-the-global-test-118096 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.uv.es/RELIEVE/v22n1/RELIEVEv22n1_M15eng.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjr3Pag7KrnAhXLN8AKHcm7DIQQFjAMegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw3FKV32Vm3P-FwOmtACMsET https://www.aare.edu.au/blog/?p=2455 https://mobile.edweek.org/c.jsp?cid=25919971&bcid=25919971&rssid=25919961&item=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.edweek.org%2Fv1%2Few%2Findex.html%3Fuuid%3DF34A8C40-CC32-11E5-B72F-71C9B3743667 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/260763371_How_not_to_reason_with_PISA_data_An_ironic_investigation https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2015/04/19/pisas-potentially-dangerous-problems-and-what-to-do-about-them/%3foutputType=amp Criticisms tend towards it's narrow focus, and attendant inanility to scope things like inquiry based learning, its inherent statistical probability error in ranking and it's correlation to economic, rather than educational standards. The perfect Pisa School is one that hothouses it's students to learn by rote a narrow range of facts and methods, to the exclusion of inquiry based learning, soft skills, moral and personal growth and at the heart of it, a general curiosity about the wider world, and the tools needed to go and learn more. The things it doesn't measure are more important to developing a nations workforce, than the ability to recite pythagoras' theorem from memory. That's not to say that there isn't a correlation between scoring well on Pisa and having a good education system, but simply that it's a weak correlation that can be flustered by narrow curricula and rote learning that wont necessarily spit out good, useful citizens. To my mind the SNP's issue here is not that is doing badly or well in Pisa, but rather that it's not taking a holistic view of how it wants the education system to work, the CoE is at its heart the right way to go, but its placed intolerable pressures on the professionals in terms implementation, and if CoE is what they want to do, then why bend to pressure to introduce P1 testing? I think Finland has the right idea about education, less, not more testing in an environment designed to enhance a child's curiosity to learn is how you eventually get to an educated citizen. Edited January 30, 2020 by renton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 In what way are post independence Scotland and the governance of Nicola Sturgeon intrinsically linked?It is the ultimate red herring when people argue against independence with arguments on the SNP’s record in government and should never really be engaged. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Stunned to see Malky avoiding yet another comprehensive owning by Cyclizine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Cant see any way of this happening.What power do we have to force it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/01/30/scottish-independence-yes-leads-remainers-increasi Yes 51, No 49 Shift is in remainers to Yes. Edited January 30, 2020 by renton 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC. Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 "No-one wants Scottish independence" This will probably fluctuate tbh up until 2030 where Yes will hit the 60% mark. It really is game over for the UK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 We need the Coronavirus to hit a few older no voters to shift it even further... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonapersona Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 I can only see the swing for yes getting even bigger as time goes by. That might change if the SNP do something monumentally bad for Scotland or Westminster does something monumentally good for Scotland. Neither of these is very likely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 54 minutes ago, renton said: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/01/30/scottish-independence-yes-leads-remainers-increasi Yes 51, No 49 Shift is in remainers to Yes. And yet in the same poll - Scots don't want a referendum Real Scots don't want Independence. Edited January 30, 2020 by Malky3 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 And yet in the same poll - Scots don't want a referendum Real Scots don't want Independence. Doesn’t take into account those who aren’t yet old enough to vote, or Europeans who will be voting also. Nice try though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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