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14 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said:

Look at what you posted, you fool. 

The whole thing is in a quote box saying " 36 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said:"

The Express uses statistics in an inappropriate manner and adds a few half truths to paint a misleading picture. You can quote me on that.

I did.  I also quoted from the same Express article that got you so riled.  Worth quoting again:

"Andrew Mavers said: “As Conservatives deliver largest cash boost in a generation for English education, in Scotland, education - once envy of the world - remains on the slide under the SNP. Distracted by pursuit of grievances, they have failed a generation.”

Still, bang on about quartile and quintiles and mentioning Malky in a post whilst claiming you're not quoting him.  All immaterial.  The Natters are ruining Scotland.

 

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4 hours ago, lichtgilphead said:

Huge, long winded post of spinning nonsense

TL:DR 

However this article is as balanced as it is spot on

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/the-snp-is-failing-scotlands-schoolchildren-education-nicola-sturgeon

If I can quote the final paragraph

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Real change will not be easy. The SNP has already pulled one education bill—which would, among other measures, have created new regional education boards—in the face of professional and local authority opposition. New ideas and fresh thinking are notable for their absence and the suspicion lingers that for all the rhetoric, the SNP is still reluctant to accept the true scale of the problem. SNP politicians, led by Sturgeon, routinely accuse critics of “talking down” Scotland’s children whenever problems or shortcomings are raised; opposition is not just misplaced, it is in some sense indecent too. That too hints at a government, and a system, with a problem. As “top priorities” go, this one is not going very well

Here's another one on Scotland's lowest ever ranking on the PISA Results in Science and Maths

https://inews.co.uk/news/scotland/pisa-results-2019-scotland-worst-ever-performance-science-maths-1331557

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The Programme for International Student Assessment (Pisa) report saw Scotland achieve its lowest scores in maths and science since it first took part in the survey almost 20 years ago.

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The figures also showed that Scottish pupils are trailing their peers in England in all three areas, where average scores for reading, maths and science were 505, 504 and 507 respectively.

And this was in Nicola Sturgeons "top priority" in politics. 

Failing the nation. Devoid of ideas. Woefully incompetent across all area's of government. No wonder they can't convince 55% of Scots that we should go it alone.  

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And whilst I am providing reading material for the Nationalist cultists to try to spin on it's head. Here's an article from The Economist

https://www.economist.com/britain/2020/01/25/alex-salmonds-trial-will-coincide-with-a-reassessment-of-the-snps-record

From which we can extrapolate this

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Nor is the Scottish economy anything to shout about. Its growth rate lags Britain’s and the Scottish government puts the nation’s notional deficit at £12.6bn, or 7% of gdp, compared with 1.1% for Britain as a whole. Scotland has fewer businesses per head than any other part of the country, save for north-east England. Its businesses pull in less revenue than those in the West Midlands, which has a similar population; it has only a little over half the proportion of earners in the highest income tax bracket as in the rest of the uk. Scotland has slipped into the bottom half of the Index of Social and Economic Wellbeing produced by Scottish Trends, an economics consultancy. It now sits alongside Slovenia.

 

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And this was in Nicola Sturgeons "top priority" in politics. 
Failing the nation. Devoid of ideas. Woefully incompetent across all area's of government. No wonder they can't convince 55% of Scots that we should go it alone.  
And the opposition are barely able to muster 20%. Unlucky.
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And this was in Nicola Sturgeons "top priority" in politics. 
Failing the nation. Devoid of ideas. Woefully incompetent across all area's of government. No wonder they can't convince 55% of Scots that we should go it alone.  
In what way are post independence Scotland and the governance of Nicola Sturgeon intrinsically linked?
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Regarding the Pisa assessments, you don't have to look far to find criticisms of it's methodology, not here but internationally.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/problems-with-pisa-why-canadians-should-be-skeptical-of-the-global-test-118096

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.uv.es/RELIEVE/v22n1/RELIEVEv22n1_M15eng.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjr3Pag7KrnAhXLN8AKHcm7DIQQFjAMegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw3FKV32Vm3P-FwOmtACMsET

https://www.aare.edu.au/blog/?p=2455

https://mobile.edweek.org/c.jsp?cid=25919971&bcid=25919971&rssid=25919961&item=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.edweek.org%2Fv1%2Few%2Findex.html%3Fuuid%3DF34A8C40-CC32-11E5-B72F-71C9B3743667

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/260763371_How_not_to_reason_with_PISA_data_An_ironic_investigation

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2015/04/19/pisas-potentially-dangerous-problems-and-what-to-do-about-them/%3foutputType=amp

Criticisms tend towards it's narrow focus, and attendant inanility to scope things like inquiry based learning, its inherent statistical probability error in ranking and it's correlation to economic, rather than educational standards.

The perfect Pisa School is one that hothouses it's students to learn by rote a narrow range of facts and methods, to the exclusion of inquiry based learning, soft skills, moral and personal growth and at the heart of it, a general curiosity about the wider world, and the tools needed to go and learn more.

The things it doesn't measure are more important to developing a nations workforce, than the ability to recite pythagoras' theorem from memory. That's not to say that there isn't a correlation between scoring well on Pisa and having a good education system, but simply that it's a weak correlation that can be flustered by narrow curricula and rote learning that wont necessarily spit out good, useful citizens.

To my mind the SNP's issue here is not that is doing badly or well in Pisa, but rather that it's not taking a holistic view of how it wants the education system to work, the CoE is at its heart the right way to go, but its placed intolerable pressures on the professionals in terms implementation, and if CoE is what they want to do, then why bend to pressure to introduce P1 testing? 

I think Finland has the right idea about education, less, not more testing in an environment designed to enhance a child's curiosity to learn is how you eventually get to an educated citizen.

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In what way are post independence Scotland and the governance of Nicola Sturgeon intrinsically linked?


It is the ultimate red herring when people argue against independence with arguments on the SNP’s record in government and should never really be engaged.
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I can only see the swing for yes getting even bigger as time goes by. That might change if the SNP do something monumentally bad for Scotland or Westminster does something monumentally good for Scotland.

Neither of these is very likely.

 

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54 minutes ago, renton said:

And yet in the same poll - Scots don't want a referendum

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Real Scots don't want Independence. 

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And yet in the same poll - Scots don't want a referendum

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Real Scots don't want Independence. 

 

Doesn’t take into account those who aren’t yet old enough to vote, or Europeans who will be voting also. Nice try though.

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