lichtgilphead Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 32 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: Of course let's not forget the better together pledge that Scotland would guarantee their future in the EU with a no vote Malky say's you're misrepresenting Cameron's view here. He's obviously choosing not to remember these quotations 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Alright, everybody out and let him work this out with himselves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, lichtgilphead said: That's just another misrepresentation from Manky. The phrase appears on the third page of the pdf copy Linky It's in the preamble to the contents list This page isn't part of the introduction, it isn't part of the summary and it isn't part of the White Paper itself. But yes, it does appear in close proximity to the text of the White Paper. That much is true. As always, look for the real truth behind Malky's shite. For someone that likes to claim others talk shite, you don't half do it yourself with increasing frequency. Ignoring your wafer thin reasoning of why the preface should not be considered part of the document, the following is inescapably within the contents. Quote If Scotland votes No, will there be another referendum on independence at a later date? The Edinburgh Agreement states that a referendum must be held by the end of 2014. There is no arrangement in place for another referendum on independence. It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity. This means that only a majority vote for Yes in 2014 would give certainty that Scotland will be independent. So not only was it the view of the First Minister but it was the official view of the government. Edited January 23, 2020 by strichener 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 "Natty McNatfaces" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 30 minutes ago, oaksoft said: I actually read the once in a generation thing the same way you did. First time in a generation looking backwards. This is the problem with grand statements like that, your enemy is free to interpret it as once in a generation going forwards. However the actual wording in the document would dispel this notion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, strichener said: For someone that likes to claim others talk shite, you don't half do it yourself with increasing frequency. Ignoring your wafer thin reasoning of why the preface should not be considered part of the document, the following is inescapably within the contents. Unlike Malky, I'm happy to be corrected when I am wrong. I should have remembered to search the document for "once-in-a-generation" with hyphens as well as for the phrase that was actually quoted. Now that I've realised that the SNP cannot even punctuate properly, I'll not be voting for them again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, John Lambies Doos said: 1 hour ago, Malky3 said: You've taken that out of context. Cameron was responding to Salmonds claims that Scotland would be granted membership of the EU, despite the fact that Spain had said repeatedly that it would veto Scotlands attempts to join. Had Scotland voted Yes in 2014 our place in the EU wouldn't have been anything like assured. Well it would possibly be a hell of a lot securer than it is now Doubt it, since Spain still wouldn't have let us in. There was a telling article on the BBC website in September of last year when Herman Van Rompuy, former president of the EU, claimed that EU countries had a change in attitude would NOW be far more sympathetic to European Regions seeking EU membership. By it's very implication he also appeared to be suggesting that had Scotland voted for Independence in 2014 it would not have received much sympathy from the EU. The interview is in this article. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49690513 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Dougie82 said: Could you please stop with this Spanish veto nonsense The Spanish have clearly stated that they don't see the Scottish or Catalonian situations as being similar and spelled out why Spains foreign minister said they would welcome Scotlands membership of the EU Ahem. See when people spout shite like this, it's always worth remembering that the interviews with the actual people are still online https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26215963 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, lichtgilphead said: Malky say's you're misrepresenting Cameron's view here. He's obviously choosing not to remember these quotations Not at all. See my last two posts. And Ruth Davidson was factually correct. Scotland voted No in 2014 and instead of leaving the UK and the EU in 2016 as would have been the case, we are still in the UK and in the EU in 2020. We will soon be leaving the EU because that is what the majority who voted in the EU referendum chose as their democratic will. A democratic will that the authoritarian and anti-democratic Scottish Nationalists want overturned. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, oaksoft said: I actually read the once in a generation thing the same way you did. First time in a generation looking backwards. This is the problem with grand statements like that, your enemy is free to interpret it as once in a generation going forwards. https://www.facebook.com/ScottishConservatives/videos/2666429930077957/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 30 minutes ago, PB4U said: Absolutely amazed that anyone (regardless of voting intention) could think the "once in a generation" thing was forward-looking when the former leader actually talked about the 79 and 97 referendums. It's fairy tale stuff. Aye - and you forgot to prefix your post with "once upon a time". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dougie82 said: Where in that article does it says Spain will veto Scottish membership? https://www.google.com/amp/s/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKCN1NP25P Do you want clips of him saying the actual words, or just links to the many, many articles where he outlined his countries objections to break away states? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, PB4U said: That's been a few times you've used this. Despite the Yes camp being the absolute Gold-standard at accepting democratic results and your No team being the mess we see everytime we pick up newsprint. Sorry? The gold standard? Aye very good. The Scottish Nationalists are the ONLY political party in the UK who want to overturn the results of TWO political referendums. The SNP are also the party who pledged in the General Election to work with Jeremy Corbyn to ensure that in a hung parliament a loser would be Prime Minister. The SNP and the Scottish Nationalists have absolutely no respect for the democratic will of the people. They have shown nothing but utter contempt for the majority of Scots who voted No, and they have shown their utter contempt for anyone with a differing political view to their own extremist views. You only have to look at the pages on this thread to see the levels of depravity some Nationalists will stoop to. Only two days ago one was posting a call to arms looking to incite terrorist activities in Scotland. Prior to that we had Sandy Cromarty showing his capacity for genocide when he stated that Scots who don't want Independence should f**k off elsewhere and leave Scotland to the Nationalists. Even within the SNP party those who hold differing opinions from the party central office are silenced like Alex Neil was when he told the press that many of his fellow Nationalist MSP's didn't want to be in the EU and had voted to leave! Authoritarian and anti-democratic, with a propensity for propaganda that would have made Joseph Goebels blush. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 minute ago, PB4U said: Surely it cannot be too hard to prove/suggest that Scotland didn't wish/require another vote for a generation post-2014 if there was a shred of evidence. Surely it cannot be too hard to prove/suggest that Scotland is better off by 12.6 billion as part of the UK. Both simple stuff that if they were true would be easy to prove. The GERs Report published by the Scottish Government shows the £12.6Bn extra paid to the Scottish economy through the Barnett Formula over what Scotland raises in revenue. The proof is absolutely there - you just refuse to accept it. Even Nicola Sturgeon agreed that a large deficit would exist in the event of Independence and that deficit would need to be radically reduced through a sustained period of "spending more but less than the rate of growth in GDP" - in the same way the Conservative Party have run the UK for each of the last 10 years! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Oh and by the way it still hasn't escaped me that having been given all evening - not one Nationalist has outlined a single positive economic reason for leaving the UK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 minute ago, PB4U said: Evidence please. In 2014 the Yes camp were open and honesty that No won, yet the No camp were on a campaign of thuggery. When the Yes camp won and the victory was sealed through our parliament the No camp became very anti-democratic. Oh FFS! I didn't see any No campaigners chasing Alex Salmond around the country kicking over his tables, or chasing the leadership down streets in Glasgow heckling them all the way. Only one side engaged in thuggery and that was the Nationalist camp - as they always do. Who could forget, for example, the Wings of Scotland attempts to spread muck around anyone who featured in a No campaign broadcast. They even called out one nurse because her surname happened to be Lally. To the idiots of the Nationalist movement she was clearly related to the ex Labour council leader of Glasgow - except she wasn't. Thuggish behaviour, anti democratic, completely authoritarian, propaganda that would make Goebels blush, and now Nationalists who want to issue a call to arms, incite terrorist activities and who would embark on a genocidal campaign removing those who don't see politics their way. Why would anyone want to associate themselves with the Scottish Nationalist movement? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Dougie82 said: I'll take both please And who is the "him" you are talking about EU Commission President Manuel Barroso "I believe it's going to be extremely difficult, if not impossible, a new member state coming out of one of our countries getting the agreement of the other [existing member states]," said Barroso. "We have seen that Spain has been opposing even the recognition of Kosovo, for instance, so it's to some extent a similar case because it's a new country," he added. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, Dougie82 said: I'll take both please And who is the "him" you are talking about The Commission’s legal position was set out in December 2012 by then-president José Manuel Barroso, who said that if a part of an EU country became an independent state it would have to apply for EU membership. “A new independent state would, by the fact of its independence, become a third country with respect to the EU and the Treaties would no longer apply on its territory,” he wrote in a letter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Just now, PB4U said: The No camp sent death threats to Alex Salmond but you're angry because Jim Murphy whipped up trouble and played the victim because some clown threw an egg. But anything for you to deflect away from the 12.6bill lie of the huge lie that Scotland is better outsourcing work to the English parliament. Online? I've had death threats from Nationalists on here! The actual thuggery though was out on the streets around the country where Nationalists were abusing him and threatening him. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon/11581535/Eddie-Izzard-and-Jim-Murphy-abused-by-Scottish-nationalists-at-Labour-general-election-event.html https://www.channel4.com/news/by/alex-thomson/blogs/snp-name-shame-fringe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dougie82 said: I thought you were speaking of Barroso but I was hoping you weren't that dense Barroso is Portoguese and was speaking in his capacity as president of the EU He has never been nor ever will be a spokesperson for the Spanish government whose position as of July was that they would not exercise a veto over Scottish membership Whatever, he was quite clear that Scotland would NOT be allowed accession into the EU in the event of a Yes vote in 2014. So Ruth Davidson was factually correct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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