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Worries me a wee bit as well. Labour could become less pig headed about independence and win a few more seats. Any drop in SNP seats, even say 40 SNP, 13 Labour, 6 Tory would see the media paint it as a massive drop in support for independence, no mandate etc.
Insignificant tbh. Last Thursday was the UK's last ever GE which Scotland will participate in.
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2 hours ago, The_Kincardine said:

 

Except I didn't have to look far to find them.

The problem for the Yessersphere is that it's no longer rogue nutters.  They are now verging on the mainstream..

I've seen three separate hate incidents in England since Boris was elected. It's like Trump with the KKK coming out onto the streets.

You stated that the Yes movement is 'ethno-nationalist' and the best you could come up with is that some, very few, hate the English.

Yet, we march, all different colours and nationalities in our tens of thousands. And, we elected representatives who openly welcome immigrants.

I understand you're bitter but please, don't be ludicrous.

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2 minutes ago, Crùbag said:

some, very few, hate the English.

The only debate now is if it's many or most who hate the English.  We went past 'very few' quite some time ago.  Still, you're posting on a forum where 'I hate England' is judged as acceptable comment.

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6 minutes ago, Crùbag said:

I've seen three separate hate incidents in England since Boris was elected. It's like Trump with the KKK coming out onto the streets.

You stated that the Yes movement is 'ethno-nationalist' and the best you could come up with is that some, very few, hate the English.

Yet, we march, all different colours and nationalities in our tens of thousands. And, we elected representatives who openly welcome immigrants.

I understand you're bitter but please, don't be ludicrous.

Well said.  I noticed Swinson in her resignation (sorry, I got totally fucked) speech trying to equate Scotland’s civic nationalism to England’s bigoted nationalism.

A lying, duplicitous c**t to the end.

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53 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:
3 hours ago, Blootoon87 said:
Worries me a wee bit as well. Labour could become less pig headed about independence and win a few more seats. Any drop in SNP seats, even say 40 SNP, 13 Labour, 6 Tory would see the media paint it as a massive drop in support for independence, no mandate etc.

Insignificant tbh. Last Thursday was the UK's last ever GE which Scotland will participate in.

 

Almost certainly not true.

 

Assuming the Johnson government lasts the 5 year term (well likely 4.5, since they'll probably go for a May election in 2024), and we can assume it will given the size of their majority, Scotland has no route to independence at this time.

 

The government has confirmed it will not grant a referendum during this term, so the earliest route to one seems to be a hung parliament situation in 2024.

 

It's possible that we could see the 2021 Scottish elections become a proxy referendum which could see the UK government do a u-turn if there's a stomping SNP/Greens majority (The SNP should consider not running on the list vote) but if that's the case then you're looking at 2022 at the very earliest for a referendum and an independence date itself being sometime around 2025/2026 given the amount of time deal negotiations will take.

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16 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Well said.  I noticed Swinson in her resignation (sorry, I got totally fucked) speech trying to equate Scotland’s civic nationalism to England’s bigoted nationalism.

You will have to try and explain the difference to me.  I can't distinguish between that pair of xenophobes.

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54 minutes ago, Donathan said:

 

Almost certainly not true.

 

Assuming the Johnson government lasts the 5 year term (well likely 4.5, since they'll probably go for a May election in 2024), and we can assume it will given the size of their majority, Scotland has no route to independence at this time.

 

The government has confirmed it will not grant a referendum during this term, so the earliest route to one seems to be a hung parliament situation in 2024.

 

It's possible that we could see the 2021 Scottish elections become a proxy referendum which could see the UK government do a u-turn if there's a stomping SNP/Greens majority (The SNP should consider not running on the list vote) but if that's the case then you're looking at 2022 at the very earliest for a referendum and an independence date itself being sometime around 2025/2026 given the amount of time deal negotiations will take.

It's been clear for quite some time, certainly apparent since they got parliament to agree to Scotland's claim of Right, that plans are afoot to circumvent a S30, because the SNP heid yins - who are nae feils after all - know that the Tories will never again let us have a referendum on our terms, so they've been scouring the history books of our Union to fidn the way out.

We'll have a referendum, and it'll be by the end of 2020. 

 

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In other news, surprised to see none of you yet have mentioned Labour throwing in the towel, half a dozen big names today coming out all but saying they'll back YES in indyref 2. Most significant amongst them Dugface & Feil Findlay. 

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1 hour ago, Donathan said:

 

Almost certainly not true.

 

Assuming the Johnson government lasts the 5 year term (well likely 4.5, since they'll probably go for a May election in 2024), and we can assume it will given the size of their majority, Scotland has no route to independence at this time.

 

The government has confirmed it will not grant a referendum during this term, so the earliest route to one seems to be a hung parliament situation in 2024.

 

It's possible that we could see the 2021 Scottish elections become a proxy referendum which could see the UK government do a u-turn if there's a stomping SNP/Greens majority (The SNP should consider not running on the list vote) but if that's the case then you're looking at 2022 at the very earliest for a referendum and an independence date itself being sometime around 2025/2026 given the amount of time deal negotiations will take.

What he said. ^^^

21 minutes ago, fatshaft said:

It's been clear for quite some time, certainly apparent since they got parliament to agree to Scotland's claim of Right, that plans are afoot to circumvent a S30, because the SNP heid yins - who are nae feils after all - know that the Tories will never again let us have a referendum on our terms, so they've been scouring the history books of our Union to fidn the way out.

We'll have a referendum, and it'll be by the end of 2020. 

 

I'd love it if you were correct but the Tories control us. They will not permit it, hoping it all dies down. 

(Unlike the brexit referendum. Hey, maybe the SNP should hire Farage...)

 

It annoys me that when a Tory says 'the Scots had their chance, 55/45, once in a generation,  bla bla ', no-one ever counters with the fact that the main 'fear factor' was being out of the EU and brexit wasn't even on the horizon.

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36 minutes ago, fatshaft said:

In other news, surprised to see none of you yet have mentioned Labour throwing in the towel, half a dozen big names today coming out all but saying they'll back YES in indyref 2. Most significant amongst them Dugface & Feil Findlay. 

Wouldn't say they came out for Yes more that they are arguing for another referendum and respecting the choice Scottish people make. 

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3 minutes ago, Crùbag said:

Kezia, and others, waking up and smelling the coffee.

 

She was there with the Tories, spreading lies, drinking champagne, making sure that Scotland's future was not in Scotland's hands. 

F*ck her. 

 

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6 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:


Like it or not we need people like her to come to this realisation and it would be better to welcome them. It is frustrating big course that it's taken this to convince them but that is just people for you.

There seems to be genuine contrition and every open heart should be waited upon with a warm embrace

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