When will indyref2 happen?

[Malky3]

12 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

You genuinely dont think they know the answer to all that?haha. You think a party absolutely obsessed with cutting spending isnt aware exactly where the money comes from and goes?

Absolutely they know. Christ the Scottish Government would have sent them a copy of the GERs Report that was produced at Holyrood. 

Maybe the English like us. Maybe the Queen would be upset at losing Balmoral. I don't know but I'm very glad we are still part of the UK cause it's quite clear that nationalists have absolutely no idea how we'd replace the money we get in through the Barnett Formula right now, and they have no idea how or what they would cut to make our country viable. 

As I've always said the 55% who voted No are the real Scottish patriots. They saved this country from a calamitous attempt by the SNP to bankrupt us all. 

[Malky3]

13 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

NI isn't voluntary.

No - but it's a hell of a lot more progressive than how - for example - Luxemburg gets its citizens to pay for healthcare. 

Maybe you should stop booting the ball into the back of your own net. You're doing more harm to the Independence cause that Perthshirebell usually does. Anyone would think you were a "yoon" plant

 

[MONKMAN]

Maybe the Queen would be upset at losing Balmoral.

How could she possibly lose it considering she owns it, you utter moron.

[Bairnardo]

How could she possibly lose it considering she owns it, you utter moron.

We can nationalise it and secure our NHS funding by charging **** like Malky to go and thrash their wee tadgers over it

[D Angelo Barksdale]

Malky Dunning Kruger still dodging the OBFA question I see.

Family still not talking to you pal ?

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, Malky3 said:

No - but it's a hell of a lot more progressive than how - for example - Luxemburg gets its citizens to pay for healthcare. 

Maybe you should stop booting the ball into the back of your own net. You're doing more harm to the Independence cause that Perthshirebell usually does. Anyone would think you were a "yoon" plant

 

By not admitting when you lie or don't have a clue, you make meaningless every word you write. 

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I had hoped that in the modern Scotland we were making some progress towards eradicating sectarianism when in 2012 we saw the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act passed into law unopposed but by 2018 the SNP had repealed the Act, and on these pages we can see why. It's sad really but it seems the Nationalist Cult needs to sow division on any grounds whatsoever to gain traction for their cause. 

 

 

[Malky3]

31 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

By not admitting when you lie or don't have a clue, you make meaningless every word you write. 

I think my Grandson would us the term "Come In!" at this point! 

[Bairnardo]

I think my Grandson would us the term "Come In!" at this point! 

You think, but you dont know.

[Boo Khaki]

Scotland ABSOLUTELY MUST make up every penny of this alleged deficit, but it's perfectly ok and normal for the UK as a whole to continue on indefinitely running at a £41billion deficit per annum. 

Ok then.

[Malky3]

Just now, Boo Khaki said:

Scotland ABSOLUTELY MUST make up every penny of this alleged deficit, but it's perfectly ok and normal for the UK as a whole to continue on indefinitely running at a £41billion deficit per annum. 

Ok then.

Oh dear! Here we go on lap four. It's like arguing with Dory from "Finding Nemo". This devolved Scottish Education System must be disastrously poor for there to be so many thick Nationalists. 

The SNP policy for the countries economy is for a period of Sterlingisation until the conditions of 6 tests on the economy are met. Look the term up. If you are using another countries currency or tracking another countries currency you cannot run a deficit and you cannot run your own economic policy. Don't believe me - look up what happened to the Republic of Ireland economy from 1922 to 1979. Even if an Independent Scotland had it's own, new currency, it would leave the country far more open to "Spivs and Speculators" and if it failed to take on it's fair share of the UK National Debt, as Alex Salmond proposed in 2014, the financial markets would shun Scotland's new debt issues. 

 

 

 

 

[Boo Khaki]

11 minutes ago, Malky3 said:

Oh dear! Here we go on lap four. It's like arguing with Dory from "Finding Nemo". This devolved Scottish Education System must be disastrously poor for there to be so many thick Nationalists. 

The SNP policy for the countries economy is for a period of Sterlingisation until the conditions of 6 tests on the economy are met. Look the term up. If you are using another countries currency or tracking another countries currency you cannot run a deficit and you cannot run your own economic policy. Don't believe me - look up what happened to the Republic of Ireland economy from 1922 to 1979. Even if an Independent Scotland had it's own, new currency, it would leave the country far more open to "Spivs and Speculators" and if it failed to take on it's fair share of the UK National Debt, as Alex Salmond proposed in 2014, the financial markets would shun Scotland's new debt issues. 

Nice try buddy.

1. I'm not a Nationalist

2. I wasn't educated under the devolved Scottish education system you claim is disastrously poor but are seemingly content to subject your kids to.

3. I'm not arguing with you, just pointing out the utter absurdity of your demand that the SNP (who you're apparently happy to presume are the party of governance in an iScotland) must somehow account for and make up an entire deficit, while you're presumably happy for the country you're espousing the virtues of to continue to rollick along in a perpetual debt/borrowing/deficit cycle.

4. I don't need the overly simplistic 2nd paragraph either, mainly because it's factually inaccurate, and I'm already well aware of SNP policy and the potential pitfalls of setting up a central bank and founding a new currency.

Carry on throwing out bizarre ad hominem attacks at people you know absolutely nothing about though, it really shows you in a great light. 

[Malky3]

37 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said:

Nice try buddy.

1. I'm not a Nationalist

2. I wasn't educated under the devolved Scottish education system you claim is disastrously poor but are seemingly content to subject your kids to.

3. I'm not arguing with you, just pointing out the utter absurdity of your demand that the SNP (who you're apparently happy to presume are the party of governance in an iScotland) must somehow account for and make up an entire deficit, while you're presumably happy for the country you're espousing the virtues of to continue to rollick along in a perpetual debt/borrowing/deficit cycle.

4. I don't need the overly simplistic 2nd paragraph either, mainly because it's factually inaccurate, and I'm already well aware of SNP policy and the potential pitfalls of setting up a central bank and founding a new currency.

Carry on throwing out bizarre ad hominem attacks at people you know absolutely nothing about though, it really shows you in a great light. 

Nice try buddy...... but I'm older than that. My Grandkids maybe, not my kids. 

Anyway feel free to put your expert credentials on record and enlighten the audience. I'm no expert, I've just read what the experts are saying but if you know better feel free to tell me how an Independent Scotland could rack up budget deficits when their economic policy is tied to that of another country, or where they would borrow money from if they defaulted on their share of the UK National Debt? 

I have to say for someone claiming not to be a nationalist you are hiding it well. Your tactic of making vague claims of expertise whilst refusing to reveal what you think you know incase of ridicule certainly strikes me as a well worn nationalist pattern of behaviour.  

 

[Mastermind]

This is where as a patriotic Scot I take issue with the Nationalist narrative. I know I've gone over this before but I'll try again. Hopefully it will make my point of view clearer. 
See Scotland isn't poor at all. As part of the United Kingdom it does extremely well actually. Part of the fifth biggest economy in the world.  The Fraser and Allander Institute blog that I linked to days ago illustrated it quite clearly but basically within the 12 regions of the Uk - only 3 are in surplus. That is the East of England, the South East, and London. Between them they generate £61Bn more revenue than they spend. The other 9 regions - one of which is Scotland - spends around £102Bn more than it generates which means the UK budget deficit for last year was £41Bn.
What happens in the UK is every year Scotland, through the Barnett Formula, is awarded a grant from the UK Government which the Scottish Government spends, within certainly limits, as it deems appropriate. The Scottish Government tends to spend it all - rightly so - because it would look extremely odd if they didn't especially when they like to bump their gums about "Tory austerity". The good news for Scotland is that the Barnett Formula is quite generous and it means that Scotland, per head of population, get's more money than in any of the other regions in the UK. In effect Scotland benefits from the strong economic position that exists in the South East of England, London and East of England. If you like it's the benefit of living in a large family, where your wealthier and better paid parents and older sibling are able to subsidise your standard of living.
Now if Scotland was to become independent the Barnett Formula would stop and Scotland would have to stand on it's own two feet - a bit like when a child grows up and leaves the family home. Now the only money you can spend is what you raise in tax revenues. And if you are used to a lifestyle that sees you spend £13Bn per annum more than you earn, you are going to have to make some rather big decisions on either what you are going to do to earn an extra £13Bn per annum in tax revenue, or what areas of spending you are going to cut. 
That's what I keep asking. What - out of all of the services promised in the White Paper - would the nationalists propose we cut in order to balance the books after Independence? Or would you just raise taxes to raise an extra £13Bn per annum - if so how much more tax are we all likely to have to pay to cover the cost of Scottish Independence? And how would you propose we attract new business investment to Scotland if we are one of the highest taxed countries in Europe? 
It's quite a simple question - quite a fair one too I reckon. My life is comfortable, so is that of my kids. I think most Scots are reasonably comfortable too. So before changing my vote from Never to Yes I need to know how badly Scottish independence is going to damage my lifestyle. 
 

Great post.

[Mastermind]

We independent yet?

[DublinMagyar]

Scottish education


Countries

[lichtgilphead]

This is much more like it. Too much text in this thread.

Oil

Volatility

Fat.
Old wife.

[dirty dingus]

[DeeTillEhDeh]

We independent yet?

Mintermind.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

Excellent stuff. Final confirmation of Malky's idiocy delivered by Mintermind agreeing with him. 

[AUFC90]

Oh dear! Here we go on lap four. It's like arguing with Dory from "Finding Nemo". This devolved Scottish Education System must be disastrously poor for there to be so many thick Nationalists. 
The SNP policy for the countries economy is for a period of Sterlingisation until the conditions of 6 tests on the economy are met. Look the term up. If you are using another countries currency or tracking another countries currency you cannot run a deficit and you cannot run your own economic policy. Don't believe me - look up what happened to the Republic of Ireland economy from 1922 to 1979. Even if an Independent Scotland had it's own, new currency, it would leave the country far more open to "Spivs and Speculators" and if it failed to take on it's fair share of the UK National Debt, as Alex Salmond proposed in 2014, the financial markets would shun Scotland's new debt issues. 
 
 
 
 

So you're telling me there's no countries in the world that use another countries currency whilst running a deficit ?
Because you're a bit thick and like to avoid answering I'll make it simple....a yes or no will suffice.