lichtgilphead Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I wouldn't pay much attention to that poll, or any at the moment. 2 days before another poll had the Lib dems in the lead with an easy path to a remainy majority. Not so sure about that. If you put the figures from that poll into Electoral Calculus, the three biggest parties at Westminster are still Labour, Libdems & Brexit. Two of these parties are still officially supporting leave (albeit one far more strongly than the other.) I don't see where your remainy majority is coming from. 119 Libdems, 55 SNP, 4 Plaid & 1 Green only add up to 179. Where are the other 147 remain votes coming from? Edited June 2, 2019 by lichtgilphead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, NotThePars said: There was another poll that left Labour just short of a majority but enough if they went into coalition with the SNP and/ or the Lib Dems. Anyone making any concrete predictions at this juncture is at it. Even the pollsters haven't a fucking clue. I'm not suggesting that the polls are correct. I'm only using them as examples as to why Oaksoft's view that there will be 5 strong parties is nonsense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: Not so sure about that. If you put the figures from that poll into Electoral Calculus, the two biggest parties at Westminster are still Labour & Brexit. Both of these parties are still officially supporting leave (albeit one far more strongly than the other.) I don't see where your remainy majority is coming from. 119 Libdems, 55 SNP, 4 Plaid & 1 Green only add up to 179. Where are the other 147 remain votes coming from? Labour. They're hardly going to side with the Tories and Brexit Party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieThomas Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: Labour. They're hardly going to side with the Tories and Brexit Party. *except for viewers in Scotland 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Just now, welshbairn said: Labour. They're hardly going to side with the Tories and Brexit Party. I would love to agree, but would suggest that you check the current offical labour position on brexit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: I'm not suggesting that the polls are correct. I'm only using them as examples as to why Oaksoft's view that there will be 5 strong parties is nonsense. Your table above has 5 parties all with over 50 seats each, as he predicted. Even Oaksoft can't be wrong all the time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Your table above has 5 parties all with over 50 seats each, as he predicted. Even Oaksoft can't be wrong all the time. Yes, there are 5 parties with over 50 seats. I wouldn't say that they are all in a strong position though. The SNP won't be part of any coalition government apart from in 1 extremely unlikely scenario (Labour 50 short of a minority & not enough LibDems to put them over 326) Far more likely that we get another 5 years of right-wing government with a disastrous No-deal Brexit. Whoop-de-f*cking-do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 If a party who proudly have no policies (that they're willing to publicly admit to) can get 22% of the vote share, democracy's about done here. Stick up a computer-generated cartoon character to insult everyone and be done with it. I mind thinking that Black Mirror episode was insultingly dismissive of the populace too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2019/06/03/scotland-is-being-shafted-by-dodgy-data-from-westminster/ Scotland is being shafted by dodgy data from Westminster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz FFC Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Shouldn't be long now with this nonsense. This was a reply to NS saying Scotland won't stand for the NHS being sold off 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Shouldn't be long now with this nonsense. This was a reply to NS saying Scotland won't stand for the NHS being sold offWho is that guy? Never heard of him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 If a party who proudly have no policies (that they're willing to publicly admit to) can get 22% of the vote share, democracy's about done here. Stick up a computer-generated cartoon character to insult everyone and be done with it. I mind thinking that Black Mirror episode was insultingly dismissive of the populace too.It's a simple case of stubbornness, and surely easy to understand. A lot of people (especially leave voters but a surprising number of remain voters too) believe that the referendum result should be carried out. Even if it leads to economic damage, they want the government to follow through on the result - and no doubt the country would survive. These people also see the absolute clusterfuck that's been made of negotiations, and would rather we just left (ala farage & co) than anything else. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Shouldn't be long now with this nonsense. This was a reply to NS saying Scotland won't stand for the NHS being sold offBald, fat, old(ish?), cringingly servile? Stunned. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Bald, fat, old(ish?), cringingly servile? Stunned. You forgot baked red face 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 On 03/06/2019 at 20:33, Baxter Parp said: https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2019/06/03/scotland-is-being-shafted-by-dodgy-data-from-westminster/ Scotland is being shafted by dodgy data from Westminster "Fourth, nor can you run the tax system of the economy without control of its currency, its interest rates and its central bank." Spot on! Presumably, he would rule out an independent Scotland using the Pound or joining the Eurozone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 Another Better Together lie busted 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Colkitto said: Another Better Together lie busted It's been busted for years. Why is this even a story? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Misinformation in all the media bar the National, presumably? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Just now, Savage Henry said: Misinformation in all the media bar the National, presumably? Criticise the National all you want, but you won't see that in any other paper, and several will repeat the same old lie about Spain in the event of indyref2. We do not have a media in this country, when it comes to Scotland and independence we have pure propaganda pumped into our country from another country through every medium every day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 30 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Good scoop that It was in 2014. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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