git-intae-thum Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, virginton said: Hold referendum anyway and declare UDI then. That was my initial thoughts as well. Either that or a snap election with a platform of independence negotiations to begin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Denying one whilst the government are halfway through negotiations seems perfectly sensible. Fighting on two fronts would be stupid.I also think the SNP would benefit by waiting until after. Why hold a referendum before you know the final terms? It's madness. I suspect Sturgeon knew this was likely to occur. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Sooky said: Denying one whilst the government are halfway through negotiations seems perfectly sensible. Fighting on two fronts would be stupid. I also think the SNP would benefit by waiting until after. Why hold a referendum before you know the final terms? It's madness. I suspect Sturgeon knew this was likely to occur. Its an affront to democracy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Sooky said: Denying one whilst the government are halfway through negotiations seems perfectly sensible. Fighting on two fronts would be stupid. I also think the SNP would benefit by waiting until after. Why hold a referendum before you know the final terms? It's madness. I suspect Sturgeon knew this was likely to occur. It doesn't matter if it makes sense to her, she's just denied an entire country it's democracy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest Saints Fan Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Sooky said: Denying one whilst the government are halfway through negotiations seems perfectly sensible. Fighting on two fronts would be stupid. I also think the SNP would benefit by waiting until after. Why hold a referendum before you know the final terms? It's madness. I suspect Sturgeon knew this was likely to occur. I think this is exactly what Sturgeon wanted. Westminster making decisions for Scotland, even if the Scottish Government have a majority mandate to hold a referendum. Doesn't look good for Tess. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 There's your real 'one party state' in action. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Sooky said: Denying one whilst the government are halfway through negotiations seems perfectly sensible. Fighting on two fronts would be stupid. I also think the SNP would benefit by waiting until after. Why hold a referendum before you know the final terms? It's madness. I suspect Sturgeon knew this was likely to occur. The Brexit timetable says the deal should be done by March 2019. What's wrong with holding the referendum then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, Sooky said: Denying one whilst the government are halfway through negotiations seems perfectly sensible. Fighting on two fronts would be stupid. You don't get to choose when Scotland exercises its right to self-determination; sit down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Sooky said: Denying one whilst the government are halfway through negotiations seems perfectly sensible. Fighting on two fronts would be stupid. I also think the SNP would benefit by waiting until after. Why hold a referendum before you know the final terms? It's madness. I suspect Sturgeon knew this was likely to occur. Membership of the single market is already ruled out. Any final terms are going to be well short of the minimum the Scottish Government (and I'd suspect the Scottish people) would be willing to accept. As for May, intransigence now in stopping a referendum only makes it harder to win one for Unionism later. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Can't wait for Nicky to come out all guns blazing with her riposte, it will be a sight to behold. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, Sooky said: Denying one whilst the government are halfway through negotiations seems perfectly sensible. Fighting on two fronts would be stupid. I also think the SNP would benefit by waiting until after. Why hold a referendum before you know the final terms? It's madness. I suspect Sturgeon knew this was likely to occur. Everyone on here knows that you're a wee Tory c**t. There is really no need to emphasise it. I only hope that it's an act or an exageration and that you're not as bad as that IRL. Anyway, the battle lines have been drawn. No one can deny that all the SNP government is trying to do is fullfil a manifesto commitment that was very, very clear. They were elected having presented that manifesto and are now being denied the opportunity to fulfill it my a woman whose party got 38% of the UK wide vote and a hell of a lot lower percentage of the vote in Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Denying one whilst the government are halfway through negotiations seems perfectly sensible. Fighting on two fronts would be stupid.I also think the SNP would benefit by waiting until after. Why hold a referendum before you know the final terms? It's madness. I suspect Sturgeon knew this was likely to occur. For what it's worth, I was taking it from the perspective of May. Personally, i'd rather it was held sooner rather than later as I think it's easier to win the earlier it is.I don't deny the fact that there has been a big enough change in circumstances to have another though. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 I wonder if the utter telts she got at PMQs played a part. I do hope so [emoji38] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DI Bruce Robertson Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Ok, I was going to lay off Social media as a campaigning source after last time, but this is just glorious!EUref- respect the electorate.Holyrood elections- f**k the electorate.This is it boys & girls.Hold it in the summer/ autumn then declare UDI. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Rugster said: Can't wait for Nicky to come out all guns blazing with her riposte, it will be a sight to behold. This. This is a spectacular miscalculation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Everyone on here knows that you're a wee Tory c**t. There is really no need to emphasise it. I only hope that it's an act or an exageration and that you're not as bad as that IRL. Christ, if you think I'm bad...I'd say I leaned more to the left of the party than the right! Also, it was only 37%. But cheers for the slight bump! -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Just now, Sooky said: Christ, if you think I'm bad... I'd say I leaned more to the left of the party than the right! A Tory is a Tory, is a Tory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 21 minutes ago, jakedee said: Get back in your box you Jock troublemakers,we know what's best for you. Cue 'Jock-in-the-Box' meme thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastermind Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 All we have had is a very short BBC interview, the article even states that May didn't say whether she was ruling out holding a referendum at some point in the future (i.e. once Brexit has taken place and things are clearer). A lot of Nats getting their knickers in a twist before May has even spoken in Parliament.I would imagine she will say that a referendum is possible, but only after Brexit is out the way. Which anyone with a modicum of sense would agree with. -7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 In fairness, when you read the text, it's quite vague. More in the 'Brexit means Brexit' mold. I can't tell if she just felt she had to respond someway and somehow, but she hasn't actually said no referendum definitively in the time frame ScotGov wants, meanwhile her vague intransigence becomes a hostage of fortune at the SNP conference this weekend. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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