thekorean Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 If SNP has majority in Scottish Parliament, what is stopping them from having another referendum tomorrow? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 4 hours ago, thekorean said: If SNP has majority in Scottish Parliament, what is stopping them from having another referendum tomorrow? The Scotland Act - as confirmed by the Supreme Court late last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 Having voted SNP on every ballot possible in my life, I now find myself looking elsewhere. My main goal has always been independence, who can I vote for now to get that? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 8 hours ago, thekorean said: If SNP has majority in Scottish Parliament, what is stopping them from having another referendum tomorrow? A totalitarian anglo-regime. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, johnnydun said: My main goal has always been independence, who can I vote for now to get that? Nobody. Scottish democracy doesn't exist as was made clear by the courts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekorean Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 (edited) 36 minutes ago, StellarHibee said: A totalitarian anglo-regime. Didn’t they just give Scotland a referendum couple years ago? Tories are c***s obviously, but hardly totalitarian Edited April 17, 2023 by thekorean 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, thekorean said: Didn’t they just give Scotland a referendum couple years ago? Tories are c***s obviously, but hardly totalitarian If by a couple of years ago, you mean over 8 years ago. Then yes, they "gave" us a referendum, on their terms. Good to know we can have one when another country is feeling generous, not when our own country votes for a mandate that is committed to one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, thekorean said: Didn’t they just give Scotland a referendum couple years ago? Tories are c***s obviously, but hardly totalitarian It was 9 years ago, before the Unionist-caused Brexit and subsequent cost of living crisis. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekorean Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 1 hour ago, StellarHibee said: If by a couple of years ago, you mean over 8 years ago. Then yes, they "gave" us a referendum, on their terms. Good to know we can have one when another country is feeling generous, not when our own country votes for a mandate that is committed to one. 8 years isn’t really that long time though. Having a referendum and then if the result don’t go their way demanding there be another one seems hardly democratic unless there is a reason to believe it was rigged. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekorean Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheScarf said: It was 9 years ago, before the Unionist-caused Brexit and subsequent cost of living crisis. Cost of living crisis is everywhere. I see no reason why independent Scotland would have been exempt from it. And voters should have been aware Brexit was a possibility and not believe David Cameron. I am not against Scottish independence or anything like that. Quite the opposite. I can’t stand tories and if you guys can get another referendum god bless you. I just can’t see how it’s justifiable. Edited April 17, 2023 by thekorean 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, thekorean said: 8 years isn’t really that long time though. Having a referendum and then if the result don’t go their way demanding there be another one seems hardly democratic unless there is a reason to believe it was rigged. Well in a way, it was. Because had the rules of our referendum followed the same rules as the referendum that proceeded it in 2016, Scotland would have became an independent country. The different rules in both referendums ultimately influenced the different outcomes of both referendums. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, thekorean said: 8 years isn’t really that long time though. Having a referendum and then if the result don’t go their way demanding there be another one seems hardly democratic unless there is a reason to believe it was rigged. I don’t recall there being a referendum on whether to be part of an anti-EU rogue state eight years ago (or ever). I remember voting to be part of an EU member state, but that’s it. Edited April 17, 2023 by Antlion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 3 hours ago, johnnydun said: Having voted SNP on every ballot possible in my life, I now find myself looking elsewhere. My main goal has always been independence, who can I vote for now to get that? As depressing as it is, we have no option but to stay the course. Any other vote in the constituency could allow the Unionist parties in. Use your list vote how you please though - SNP, Greens or Alba Das. It's fucking depressing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekorean Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Antlion said: I don’t recall there being a referendum on whether to be part of an anti-EU rogue state eight years ago (or ever). I remember voting to be part of an EU member state, but that’s it. But Britain voted to leave. That’s democracy for you. In hind sight Scotland should have waited to see how it would play out before having a referendum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, thekorean said: But Britain voted to leave. That’s democracy for you. In hind sight Scotland should have waited to see how it would play out before having a referendum. But Brexit wasn't really being discussed. Certainly not at a very loud level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 13 hours ago, thekorean said: If SNP has majority in Scottish Parliament, what is stopping them from having another referendum tomorrow? We play bridge on Tuesdays 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 1 hour ago, thekorean said: But Britain voted to leave. That’s democracy for you. In hind sight Scotland should have waited to see how it would play out before having a referendum. Exactly - England and Wales produced an anti-EU state which we’ve never had a vote on membership of, and we are being forced to wait and see how Brexit Britain plays out before having a referendum. We don’t have a choice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Stellaboz said: But Brexit wasn't really being discussed. Certainly not at a very loud level. Brexit wasn’t even a word. In 2014 we voted on membership of an EU member state. Any questions about whether that state would continue were dismissed - by the state itself - as scaremongering. It’s 2023 and we’ve never had a vote on membership of the virulently anti-EU rogue state that the UK now is. And, curiously, the UK doesn’t seem keen on letting us vote on the wonderful independent state it’s created. It’s almost like it doesn’t trust us to endorse the newborn Brexit Britain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Trogdor said: As depressing as it is, we have no option but to stay the course. Any other vote in the constituency could allow the Unionist parties in. Use your list vote how you please though - SNP, Greens or Alba Das. It's fucking depressing. Not half as depressing as - after all the lies, cheating, cover-ups, half-truths, deception, incompetence, troughing, sleaze and mendacity - you recommending people to vote SNP. Aside from all their shenanigans, they've put Indy on life support yet you still encourage others to vote for them. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthLanarkshireWhite Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Double down. It is better than admitting you have been lied to, conned and made to look foolish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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