welshbairn Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, Jedi said: Potential increase in support for Alba from Yes voters? (on the list ballot for Holyrood that is) https://www.albaparty.org/breakthrough_poll_would_result_in_alba_party_winning_over_20_seats They're wildly exaggerating the results. The question wasn't "Will you vote Alba?", it was "Would you vote Alba if you thought it would do any good?" Quote The party's claim is based on a poll conducted by Panelbase, which asked: “Would you vote for the pro-independence Alba Party with your Scottish Parliament Regional List Vote if you thought it would help elect a higher amount of pro-independence MSPs to the Scottish Parliament?” In response, 34% of those that backed the SNP in the 2021 Scottish Parliament constituency vote said they would vote for Alba with their regional list ballot in order to return a greater number of pro-independence MSPs. Meanwhile, 37% of those that would vote Yes in a future independence referendum said they would also vote for Alba on the list to help return a larger pro-independence majority of MSPs. Overall, 19% of those surveyed said they would back Alba on the regional list. Alba say that the results show they have broken through into the political mainstream and that “a substantial amount of the electorate” now see the party “as the accepted means to progress the case for Scottish independence as a more immediate priority”. However, polling expert professor John Curtice stressed that Alba need to pick up votes from people who would not vote SNP or Green if their intervention is to increase the tally of pro-indy MSPs. He added: “Of those in the sample with a Holyrood list vote intention, two-thirds are currently SNP and Green supporters. Only one in five are currently supporters of one of the three main Unionist parties.” According to Curtice, the net gain of the poll would correlate to a 4% swing in favour of pro-indy parties and that “you usually need 5-6% of the list vote to pick up a seat”. He continued: “So if (and that's a big if) people were to believe voting Alba might help increase the number of pro-indy MSPs it might just help take them over the line. But even then, it is impossible to know in advance which party might fail to pick up a list seat in a region as a result - that is a bit of a lottery.” https://www.thenational.scot/news/23209726.alba-set-secure-holyrood-seats-panelbase-poll-suggests/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 15 minutes ago, Jedi said: Potential increase in support for Alba from Yes voters? (on the list ballot for Holyrood that is) https://www.albaparty.org/breakthrough_poll_would_result_in_alba_party_winning_over_20_seats Considering their support's been unmeasurably low until now, this reeks of UKIP's insistence that they were about to make a major breakthrough in Scotland, with David Coburn claiming he's won Falkirk in 2015. He lost his deposit with 3% of the vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 True..would be nice to see a challenge to the SNP/Greens on the pro-Indy side though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 (edited) One day when 'hostilities cease...Merry Christmas Edited December 25, 2022 by Jedi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Ian Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 Merry Christmas all! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 f**k that. Tories are scum 365 days of the year. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Wee Bully said: f**k that. Tories are scum 365 days of the year. Let’s not forget about leap years! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Wee Bully said: f**k that. Tories are scum 365 days of the year. Says it all, really. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Says it all, really. I hope it does. Never be in any doubt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Wee Bully said: f**k that. Tories are scum 365 days of the year. They are not scum. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . They are vermin. Edited December 25, 2022 by DeeTillEhDeh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkieRR Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 Back when Labour had politicians worth quoting, Aneurin Bevan got into big trouble for calling the Tories 'vermin' in a speech. Of course, as he was in so much else, the great man was dead right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Top doctor says 'no way the Scottish NHS can survive', with calls for 'the Scottish government to take action having fallen on deaf ears'. Indeed NHS may be 'dead already' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64101348 All Westminster's fault, and can only be sorted out by Independence though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 16 minutes ago, Jedi said: Top doctor says 'no way the Scottish NHS can survive', with calls for 'the Scottish government to take action having fallen on deaf ears'. Indeed NHS may be 'dead already' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64101348 All Westminster's fault, and can only be sorted out by Independence though. SNP BAAAADD! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, Jedi said: Top doctor says 'no way the Scottish NHS can survive', with calls for 'the Scottish government to take action having fallen on deaf ears'. Indeed NHS may be 'dead already' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64101348 All Westminster's fault, and can only be sorted out by Independence though. Your assertion, although shared in jest, is not without merit. The money available to the SNHS is based upon Barnet and in the context of the present political settlement, it is very difficult to sell additional and higher taxes to save it from the fate that the last fifteen years of Westminster austerity has delivered. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 I would like to know what the critics of the SG’s handling of the NHS in Scotland see as the solution. They certainly have the right to criticise but I’d be interested to know how they think additional funds could be raised. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 26 minutes ago, Jedi said: Top doctor says 'no way the Scottish NHS can survive', with calls for 'the Scottish government to take action having fallen on deaf ears'. Indeed NHS may be 'dead already' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64101348 All Westminster's fault, and can only be sorted out by Independence though. However, under Labour control in Wales, everything is rosy and medical staff are happy. Oh, wait a minute... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-64062631 "Almost two-thirds of hospital doctors surveyed by the British Medical Association (BMA) Cymru said they would be willing to take some form of industrial action." "A previous survey undertaken by the BMA in August found that 52% of members who responded were more likely to leave the Welsh NHS as a result of the below inflation pay rise. Dr Iona Collins said: "Doctors have been quietly quitting the NHS for years, by reducing their contracted hours or leaving altogether. The financial incentive to remain in the NHS has eroded over the last decade." Dr Iona Collins is Dr Iain Kennedy's equivalent in Wales. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 22 minutes ago, Jedi said: Top doctor says 'no way the Scottish NHS can survive', with calls for 'the Scottish government to take action having fallen on deaf ears'. Indeed NHS may be 'dead already' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64101348 All Westminster's fault, and can only be sorted out by Independence though. Your assertion, although shared in jest, is not without merit. The money available to the SNHS is based upon Barnet and in the context of the present political settlement, it is very difficult to sell additional and higher taxes to save it from the fate that the last fifteen years of Westminster austerity has delivered. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 26 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I would like to know what the critics of the SG’s handling of the NHS in Scotland see as the solution. They certainly have the right to criticise but I’d be interested to know how they think additional funds could be raised. You actually make a decent point. We have to accept that all political parties have failed miserably. Time to take politics out of it (if that is possible) to try to find the solution. There must be a better way as most other Western countries have better outcomes than we have and it is outcomes that count. We really do need some blue sky thinking as, by default and not by design, we are heading towards a two tier system. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 "by default and not by design" Surely nobody is still taking this shit seriously. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Brits could stop demanding and expecting a top tier health service while resolutely refusing to pay for a top tier health service, just for starters. We could also pay nurses more than a pittance so that some people might actually want to become nurses, rather than falling over in hysterics at the suggestion. Dunno. Just throwing that out there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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