When will indyref2 happen?

[TheScarf]

I reckon there's less than 50 people who would convert from Yes to No.  

[Salt n Vinegar]

2 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

I reckon there's less than 50 people who would convert from Yes to No.  

I can honestly say that I don't know any. Now it might be, like the "shy Tory" theory, some folk hide it, but when the subject of independence comes up, (and it does), going over to the dark side doesn't get mentioned. 

[Central Belt Caley]

I voted No in 2014 as a daft 18 year old, ever since the Brexit result was announced in 2016 I’ve been 100% for Independence. I do not know anyone that voted yes that would now vote no

[TheScarf]

Just now, Central Belt Caley said:

I voted No in 2014 as a daft 18 year old, ever since the Brexit result was announced in 2016 I’ve been 100% for Independence. I do not know anyone that voted yes that would now vote no

I was an incredibly soft Yes in 2014 but the last 8 years have been mental and I'm now an extreme Yes.

[Central Belt Caley]

1 minute ago, TheScarf said:

I was an incredibly soft Yes in 2014 but the last 8 years have been mental and I'm now an extreme Yes.

I was a very vocal No and even had a full on argument with my 6th year English teacher about it Brexit, the way Covid was handled, the general attitude towards us from JRM and the rest of the tories has put me firmly in the Yes camp. 

[The Skelpit Lug]

1 hour ago, BudBudBud said:

Brexit makes the case for independence even weaker, as getting into the EU would be a highly lengthly, complicated state of affairs

Well, that's me turned from Yes to No, then.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

I spoiled my ballot in 2014.

Now solid Yes.

[Clown Job]

Brexit is a great example as to why we need independence 

It’s been an utter disaster but England has decided it’s a done deal so we need to sink along with them instead of just saying f**k this 

[welshbairn]

The thing that's brought me round to "better together" is how Britain's global reputation has soared since 2014. We even get special consideration at European borders with the kind officers asking us if we have somewhere to stay and enough money, the Germans and Italians are just shoved straight through the exit. Marvellous! And they point out we can stay for a full 90 days, I'm sure that's much longer than before we got rid of the stifling EU bureaucracy red tape. And they insist on us not doing a stroke of work the entire time! Mon the Union!

[carpetmonster]

2 hours ago, Boo Khaki said:

I'm voting 'No' in Sturgeon's pretendyRef2 because I'm sick of this vile separatist weather we've had since 2007, and the only way to get rid of it is if they close down the glorified parish cooncil at holyrood for good.

Dross is p***king on about something about Scotland turning into Venezuela on independence, so I'd take that as read as the weather will get better. Should be good. Pabellon is a piece of piss to cook, it's basically Irish stew, the only bit might be sourcing plantains. 

 

ETA - apologies, it was Dross who said it, won't happen. You're stuck with the drizzle I think, sorry chief. 

Edited October 18, 2022 by carpetmonster

[Aufc]

I voted no in the first vote. I have drifted towards yes but I’m still undecided. The SNP haven’t really presented a proper financial case for it. Emotionally I am already there and the shambles that is the rest of the UK emphasises this feeling.

I am aware it is pretty hard to finalise the financial aspect for an independent Scotland but they have presented nothing. Just relying on fairly non-descript suggestions which is not going to get a yes vote. The currency is a big one as she wants to keep using the pound for a period but then your fiscal policy is essentially dictated in london. What happens to mortgages? Pensions?

I’m all up for Scotland being independent but it’s not a be all and end all if we end up financially worse off

[Boo Khaki]

1 minute ago, carpetmonster said:

DRoss is p***king on about something about Scotland turning into Venezuela on independence, so I'd take that as read as the weather will get better. Should be good. Pabellon is a piece of piss to cook, it's basically Irish stew, the only bit might be sourcing plantains. 

If your average peely-wally scots lass turns into an olive skinned, raven haired Venezuelan beauty, then I'm all for the decades of austerity on steroids that we are assured comes hand in hand with self-governance. 

[Thistle_do_nicely]

I'm partially (if not heavily) motivated by contempt and spite towards Rangers* fans and voted Yes in 2014 to get it round them, and would do so again in the future.

[Caledonian1]

1 hour ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said:

As someone who is very right wing, I'm delighted with the strides the UK has made since 2014. Put me down as another yes to no convert.

Sorry Joe, but as you reside in England you will not be able to vote.

Enjoyed your performance on the Kuennesburg programme though.....

[coprolite]

9 minutes ago, Aufc said:

I voted no in the first vote. I have drifted towards yes but I’m still undecided. The SNP haven’t really presented a proper financial case for it. Emotionally I am already there and the shambles that is the rest of the UK emphasises this feeling.

I am aware it is pretty hard to finalise the financial aspect for an independent Scotland but they have presented nothing. Just relying on fairly non-descript suggestions which is not going to get a yes vote. The currency is a big one as she wants to keep using the pound for a period but then your fiscal policy is essentially dictated in london. What happens to mortgages? Pensions?

I’m all up for Scotland being independent but it’s not a be all and end all if we end up financially worse off

Currency is the major unresolved issue from last time. Leaving while still having Sterling and changing later just seems mental. 
 

There’s a new major issue since last time in that free trade with the EU and with rUK isn’t a given. There might be a choice between which bloc’s trade is better to have. “Gravity” suggests rUK might be economically better but it’s probably politically divisive. 
 

My personal take is that economically there’s unlikely to be more than a rounding error in it in the short term with very little predictability either way.

[razamanaz]

Will the Scottish Government, once independence has been won, hold a referendum about joining the EU?

[Caledonian1]

I am edging towards NO as, the last few weeks (perhaps years)have definitely shown us that strong and stable government at Westminster is a perfect example of the UK's strong shoulders protecting us in Scotland.  We are with outdoubt Better Together.

Oh, that and how could Scotland possibly compete on it's own in Eurovision?  Think about that you vile Nats !!! 

[TheScarf]

8 minutes ago, razamanaz said:

Will the Scottish Government, once independence has been won, hold a referendum about joining the EU?

The SNP have said if they gain independence we will rejoin.  I don't think it'll go to a vote.

[Clown Job]

37 minutes ago, Aufc said:

The SNP haven’t really presented a proper financial case for it.

Has the union?

Keeping in mind this isn’t a vote for the status quo going forward 

[Caledonian1]

1 minute ago, TheScarf said:

The SNP have said if they gain independence we will rejoin.  I don't think it'll go to a vote.

I think it would be best to go to a vote - get it done quickly.  I would hate to lose an independence referendum as the small percentage of |independence supporters who backed Brexit might not vote Yes. It is the most democratic way of re-joining and I think it would be won by around 85 - 15