BigDoddyKane Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 The state westminister is in currently is the biggest gift to indy2 I would say ever, the SNP need to make some capital from this while the window of opportunity is there. Theres nothing to lose at moment to do some big moves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Another example of the endless conflation of 'UK' and 'England' which seems an almost automatic occurrence in the brains of anti-Indi people. For all he knows I might just want to get the f**k away from the Welsh, or the bampots in the DUP. Maybe he should ask EnglishScotsForYes what motivates them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 10 hours ago, BigDoddyKane said: Ive not heard of Richard Murphy before but its interesting points he raises. Is there anywhere where he has detailed what he thinks should happen? He was very big for the independence movement in 2014. If he doesn’t like the plans, there must be a big problem. I would think this story will run. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 17 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: He was very big for the independence movement in 2014. If he doesn’t like the plans, there must be a big problem. I would think this story will run. How's your marvelous mini budget looking? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Time for the indy movement to really step it up now. The UK is a failing state. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 32 minutes ago, BudBudBud said: A potential Yes to No convert, just like so many others. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 1 hour ago, BudBudBud said: A potential Yes to No convert, just like so many others. Not really. Tbh I imagine he is just annoyed at the missed opportunity for Scotgov to exhibit clarity and purpose........as opposed to the complete shambles that is UKgov. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Yeah, there's definitely loads of 2014 Yes voters who will vote No next time around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, TheScarf said: Yeah, there's definitely loads of 2014 Yes voters who will vote No next time around. For example me, I voted Yes in 2014, but with Brexit, The Tories being fucking useless, lying cunts and the North of England falling and bowing to their racist overtones, which see Scotland stuck with them, I'm definitely voting No next time. Labour too, they look really handy. #BetterTogether 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, TheScarf said: Yeah, there's definitely loads of 2014 Yes voters who will vote No next time around. I voted Yes in 2014 but by putting little union jacks on the boxes of vaccines and seizing the opportunity created by the worst public health crisis in 100 years to empty the treasury into their own back pockets for PPE that didn't work and definitely cost the lives of patients as well as nurses and doctors has made me see in vivid red white and blue technicolour just how wrong I was. Edited October 18, 2022 by williemillersmoustache 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said: He was very big for the independence movement in 2014. If he doesn’t like the plans, there must be a big problem. I would think this story will run. Where are you getting that from? He's a tax accountant from Norfolk, currently lecturing in Sheffield, I don't know if he's ever been to Scotland. His main beef is poor collection of data on tax receipts, profit and earnings so you can't tell where money is coming from and going to, he advised Corbyn on it re tax evasion and avoidance. The Scottish angle is it's difficult to tell what money and assets belong to Scotland because the data isn't collected and differentiated properly. Edited October 18, 2022 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 I'm voting 'No' in Sturgeon's pretendyRef2 because I'm sick of this vile separatist weather we've had since 2007, and the only way to get rid of it is if they close down the glorified parish cooncil at holyrood for good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Just now, BudBudBud said: I'd say so. With so much turmoil in the world, many just don't want to think about it. A lot of independence voters realise they had their chance in 2014. People just want to get on with their lives, and the momentum within the Independence movement has all but disappeared. Yestival was nothing more than a damp squib. People can only focus on the constitution for so long before they get bored and hardly anyone is even talking about this alleged referendum in just over a years time. Brexit makes the case for independence even weaker, as getting into the EU would be a highly lengthly, complicated state of affairs with all sorts of questions of currency, the border, the debt etc. This would be coupled with all the complexities of splitting off in the first place. Scexit and Eujoin at once? It would make Brexit look like a walk in the park. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 17 hours ago, Clown Job said: Too wee, too poor Another unelected list tory MSP talking shite and childishly scaremongering. How would an Independent Scotland have coped with Covid? Well Denmark is a prosperous and thriving country with a similar population as Scotland and weathered the Covid crisis with a relatively low rate of infection and death. Check the following site; The Covid-19 pandemic in Denmark: Big lessons from a small country - PMC (nih.gov) Boris Johnson continually made a big deal about his tory governments response to Covid, his response was no different from most other western countries. What Johnson repeatedly always avoids is the fraudulent awards of business for PPE supplies which was not put out to competetive tender, and then Hancock refused to publish details of the contracts awarded. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said: He was very big for the independence movement in 2014. If he doesn’t like the plans, there must be a big problem. I would think this story will run. Murphy is as much in the general Scottish/UK populations consciousness as you are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Well, what's convinced me of the unionist case is the growing list of small European countries forming an orderly queue to leave the EU and come under the rule of Westminster. Y'know, like errr... em.... no, don't rush me, give me a minute... Seriously... if Scotland was independent at the moment, even the most ardent, forelock tugging, union Jack hugging, Daily Mail or Express reading, "I know my place" chanting founder members of the Jacob Rees-Mogg fan club wouldn't be suggesting that we team up with and agree to be governed by Westminster. Enough. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamamafegan Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 A lot of independence voters realise they had their chance in 2014. People just want to get on with their lives, and the momentum within the Independence movement has all but disappeared. This is just absolute rubbish. “You voting Yes again mate? Nah man, we had our chance in 2014.”Said no one ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 As someone who is very right wing, I'm delighted with the strides the UK has made since 2014. Put me down as another yes to no convert. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 13 minutes ago, jamamafegan said: This is just absolute rubbish. “You voting Yes again mate? Nah man, we had our chance in 2014.” Said no one ever. I think he genuinely believes it. Unionists are mental. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 A potential Yes to No convert, just like so many others.Things that haven't happened for this pish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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