When will indyref2 happen?

[Kenneth840]

18 hours ago, Jedi said:

So the plan is to retain sterling for a few years, then..float a Scottish currency...then give that time to achieve market stability...then join the Euro, and finally...be back in the EU?

Assuming a Ref was held and won, next year. A rough estimate for a negotiation period is 2 to 3 years to sort out assets and liabilities ..then there is a period of using sterling, until the Central Bank builds up sufficient reserves of foreign currency etc...then there is floating the Scot currency and letting it settle down..then eventually being in a stable enough position to join the Euro .

So, the back in the EU could maybe be by what..2040? If all that went through.

I am a broken record.  Sterlingisation will ruin Scotland. 

[Kenneth840]

8 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Putting aside the question of Scotland’s independence, are you really wanting to join the failing  EU?

 

 

Yes, I wouldn't mind being part of a Union that works. 

[Kenneth840]

2 hours ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

 

Given that we've just seen what a WM. Govt can do with the pound (and interest rates) would it not make more sense for a Scottish Govt to adopt the Euro as a matter of some urgency?

 

 

Would be better than sterling. 

[Clown Job]

Never forget 

 

[GTG_03]

55 minutes ago, Kenneth840 said:

Would be better than sterling. 

I agree but isn't using the pound only temporary until we set up our own currency. The pound will lose value when we leave anyway. 

[GTG_03]

20 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

Never forget 

 

All those promises of cheaper bills, stronger powers, a strong pound, membership of the EU should be front and centre of the yes campaign.

[The_Kincardine]

1 minute ago, GTG_03 said:

All those promises of cheaper bills, stronger powers, a strong pound, membership of the EU should be front and centre of the yes campaign.

I was a remainer and would be a joiner.

BUT how can you make something you have no control over the central plank of a campaign?  The 'Yes' case is abysmally weak and is based on some fundamental untruths.  i'd deal with those first.

[BFTD]

Funny how these troll accounts all seem to have lost the ability to multi-quote at the same time.

[Clown Job]

If I had to guess I would imagine it’s probably because most Green parties already live in an independent country 

[williemillersmoustache]

3 hours ago, GTG_03 said:

All those promises of cheaper bills, stronger powers, a strong pound, membership of the EU should be front and centre of the yes campaign.

I disagree.  It is not rejoining that is key but the ability to do so, should we so choose.

In the same way that it is not leaving the EU which is the central gripe, it is rhe manner in which it was carried out. With a complete disregard for anything other than what was most likely to keep, those c***s in power. Brexit could have been OK, not my choice but it was possible for it to have been manageable if never really acceptable. 

I want iScotland to be full EU members, I think that's rhe best place to be. But there are a multitude of other possibilities.  

Similar to the monarchy, eyes on the prize. First things first. We can get shot of those grifters in due course. Step 1 is achieving the ability to do so. 

[git-intae-thum]

3 hours ago, GTG_03 said:

I agree but isn't using the pound only temporary until we set up our own currency. The pound will lose value when we leave anyway. 

It is beyond doubt the pound will dip when Scotland becomes independent. The fact is it will tank unless an initial Sterlingisation accord is quickly agreed. If we had voted yes in 2014, the governor of the BOE would likely have been on the phone within minutes. The whole "you can't use the pound" argument is and has always been nonsense.

None of this negates the need for iScotland to have a firm plan and timescale for the launch of its own currency.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

12 hours ago, BigDoddyKane said:

Im not that fussed either way, Independence for me is whats needed. Whether we rejoin EU or have some other relationship like Norway or whatever. I see benefits of being in EU and I also see some problems with being in EU, also the direction its going may not be something I agree with but as its very unclear what the long term plan is for EU its a bit of a moot point until it becomes clear.

On a personal level though being in EU now would make my life easier but id be happy to go with whatever Scotland votes for.

Does the EU have its issues? Yes. Are those issues worth not being in it? f**k no. Its like walking along a beach and getting a few grains of sand in yer shoe verses the UK as an eternal swamp of quick sand. 

23 minutes ago, git-intae-thum said:

It is beyond doubt the pound will dip when Scotland becomes independent. The fact is it will tank unless an initial Sterlingisation accord is quickly agreed. If we had voted yes in 2014, the governor of the BOE would likely have been on the phone within minutes. The whole "you can't use the pound" argument is and has always been nonsense.

None of this negates the need for iScotland to have a firm plan and timescale for the launch of its own currency.

Agree, it always was scaremongering pish, we have all the assets. 

[Clown Job]

This is the level of argument they’re already at 

 

[Monkey Tennis]

6 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

This is the level of argument they’re already at 

 

I love that logic.

 

 

Things are Hellish - they could scarcely be worse.  We voted for none of it.

The last thing we should do is look to extract ourselves from it.

[The Skelpit Lug]

"Eat your cereal" klaxon

[BigDoddyKane]

3 hours ago, Clown Job said:

This is the level of argument they’re already at 

 

you really couldn't make it up

[Clown Job]

The UK is a broken political system 

You’re deluding yourself if you believe the status quo is better than self governance 

[TheScarf]

10 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

The UK is a broken political system 

You’re deluding yourself if you believe the status quo is better than self governance 

'CoS PuTIN wiLL nuKe us iF wERE indepENDanttttTTTt!

[TheScarf]

I mean whatever you get up to when you're off the clock, Nicola, we're not here to judge.

[Caledonian1]

Solomon would be better back down his mine........Better Together are getting the gang together again

Solomon Cuthbertson is a third year politics student at Edinburgh University.

"Back in 2014 I did support independence, but in the last few years I found myself drifting more towards wanting to stay in the UK," he says.

"Looking at the challenges that we face with economics, it would make families poorer and right now with the cost living crisis I don't think that's something I can get behind," he adds.

Solomon also has concerns about pensions and the pound. "If we leave the UK we lose any control that we have over the currency that will be used... and then if we join in the euro, it's the European Central Bank that's going to have all the power."

Solomon, who chairs Scottish Labour Students, says the answer to the current economic turmoil lies at Westminster.

"I don't think because we have a horrific Tory government that has done all the things it has and this led this economic disruption that we should look at leaving the UK," he says.