When will indyref2 happen?

[cyderspaceman]

How about this simplistic argument.

"The Scottish people were given the chance to vote on their independence and rejected it, PROBABLY on the basis that they were warned by the UK government that they would be out of the EU and would suffer financially, commercially and culturally from this. 

Within 2 years the UK government took the UK out of the EU. 

The Scottish people deserve another referendum. "

[lichtgilphead]

On 27/08/2022 at 08:42, Duries Air Freshener said:

Your passport clearly states 'British Citizen'.

 

9 hours ago, BudBudBud said:

 

'Britain' and 'United Kingdom' are used interchangeably on a regular basis, hence the presence of 'British Citizen' on our passports.

Such similar posting styles for two completely different posters.

When can we look forward to pictures of BBB's dog on the "Show us your dogs thread"?

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Such similar posting styles for two completely different posters.
When can we look forward to pictures of BBB's dog on the "Show us your dogs thread"?

Was DAF a St Mirren fan?

I though he was a currant?

[Guest Jedi]

So the plan is to retain sterling for a few years, then..float a Scottish currency...then give that time to achieve market stability...then join the Euro, and finally...be back in the EU?

Assuming a Ref was held and won, next year. A rough estimate for a negotiation period is 2 to 3 years to sort out assets and liabilities ..then there is a period of using sterling, until the Central Bank builds up sufficient reserves of foreign currency etc...then there is floating the Scot currency and letting it settle down..then eventually being in a stable enough position to join the Euro .

So, the back in the EU could maybe be by what..2040? If all that went through.

[sophia]

34 minutes ago, Jedi said:

So the plan is to retain sterling for a few years, then..float a Scottish currency...then give that time to achieve market stability...then join the Euro, and finally...be back in the EU?

Assuming a Ref was held and won, next year. A rough estimate for a negotiation period is 2 to 3 years to sort out assets and liabilities ..then there is a period of using sterling, until the Central Bank builds up sufficient reserves of foreign currency etc...then there is floating the Scot currency and letting it settle down..then eventually being in a stable enough position to join the Euro .

So, the back in the EU could maybe be by what..2040? If all that went through.

You can be in the EU without using the Euro.

Croatia.

You are misinformed or willfully misrepresenting.

[renton]

8 minutes ago, sophia said:

You can be in the EU without using the Euro.

Croatia.

You are misinformed or willfully misrepresenting.

Croatia, Denmark or even the fucking UK if people need exhibit A.

[BigDoddyKane]

I think theres no argument on another referendum, theres a valid reason and thats UK leaving EU when Scotland massively voted to stay. 

If a Yes vote was successful and at earliest now an indy2 would be in 2024 I think. Then a referendum would need to be held within Scotland to vote on rejoining EU. That could be done quite quickly though so within 2025. Then its just a matter of how the EU would accept Scotland, does it have to start from scratch in applying or is some speeded up process going to be allowed. Im not sure either way but I think we should plan as an independent country for being out of EU a while and I dont think thats a bad thing, it will all sort itself out with time after a Yes vote however long it takes.

Edited October 15, 2022 by BigDoddyKane

[Dawson Park Boy]

1 hour ago, BigDoddyKane said:

I think theres no argument on another referendum, theres a valid reason and thats UK leaving EU when Scotland massively voted to stay. 

If a Yes vote was successful and at earliest now an indy2 would be in 2024 I think. Then a referendum would need to be held within Scotland to vote on rejoining EU. That could be done quite quickly though so within 2025. Then its just a matter of how the EU would accept Scotland, does it have to start from scratch in applying or is some speeded up process going to be allowed. Im not sure either way but I think we should plan as an independent country for being out of EU a while and I dont think thats a bad thing, it will all sort itself out with time after a Yes vote however long it takes.

Putting aside the question of Scotland’s independence, are you really wanting to join the failing  EU?

 

 

[Benjamin_Nevis]

1 minute ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Putting aside the question of Scotland’s independence, are you really wanting to join the failing  EU?

 

 

[The Skelpit Lug]

22 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Putting aside the question of Scotland’s independence, are you really wanting to join the failing  EU?

 

 

Very compelling argument. We should definitely stay part of the leading player on the world stage, beacon of democracy, strong & stable, financially astute, economically literate, UK. Why change when everything is in safe hands and going so well.

[carpetmonster]

10 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Was DAF a St Mirren fan?

I though he was a currant?

Yes to the latter. New handle is presumably so when he outs himself as a massive OFTW (again) folks’ll just think because St Mirren fan. 

[BigDoddyKane]

1 hour ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Putting aside the question of Scotland’s independence, are you really wanting to join the failing  EU?

 

 

Im not that fussed either way, Independence for me is whats needed. Whether we rejoin EU or have some other relationship like Norway or whatever. I see benefits of being in EU and I also see some problems with being in EU, also the direction its going may not be something I agree with but as its very unclear what the long term plan is for EU its a bit of a moot point until it becomes clear.

On a personal level though being in EU now would make my life easier but id be happy to go with whatever Scotland votes for.

[cyderspaceman]

3 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Putting aside the question of Scotland’s independence, are you really wanting to join the failing  EU?

 

 

"failing EU"  . That Daily Mail, Daily Express, Daily Telegraph level of rhetoric. 

Where is it 'failing' , exactly?  

'losing the UK' is not a valid answer.

[Stellaboz]

It's a line trotted out by brexiteers for no other reason than self delusion.

[BFTD]

44 minutes ago, cyderspaceman said:

"failing EU"  . That Daily Mail, Daily Express, Daily Telegraph level of rhetoric. 

Where is it 'failing' , exactly?  

'losing the UK' is not a valid answer.

I miss the days when folk were making predictions on here about how long it would be before the EU would break up and/or the Euro would fail.

Those stupid Europeans, refusing to make things easier for good ol' Blighty by committing economic suicide.

[ICTJohnboy]

18 hours ago, SandyCromarty said:

That currency will be a temporary measure until we are accepted into the EU and we adopt the Euro, bear in mind that Lithuania and Latvia broke away from the Russian Rouble and set up the Litas and Lats currencies respectively as part of their Copenhagen Criteria EU application, both now have the Euro as their official currency.

 

14 hours ago, sophia said:

You can be in the EU without using the Euro.

Croatia.

You are misinformed or willfully misrepresenting.

 

Given that we've just seen what a WM. Govt can do with the pound (and interest rates) would it not make more sense for a Scottish Govt to adopt the Euro as a matter of some urgency?

 

 

Edited October 15, 2022 by ICTJohnboy

[BigDoddyKane]

1 hour ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

 

Given that we've just seen what a WM. Govt can do with the pound (and interest rates) would it not make more sense for a Scottish Govt to adopt the Euro as a matter of some urgency?

 

 

it certainly makes the case of either having our own currency or accepting the euro if we rejoin eu a lot stronger

[Antlion]

1 hour ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

 

Given that we've just seen what a WM. Govt can do with the pound (and interest rates) would it not make more sense for a Scottish Govt to adopt the Euro as a matter of some urgency?

 

 

Yes, but politically the pound has totemic value to many people (out of all proportion to its importance as the type of paper people carry about or its fluctuating value on the market). UK Nats will attempt to use the prospect of “losing” the pound as a terrifying thing - evil and scary Nat chaaaaaange (if you’ll excuse the pun).

[Kenneth840]

21 hours ago, SandyCromarty said:

What other purpose other than a future Central Bank would it serve. Nothing has been mentioned obviously as to the Banks purpose, it is owned by The Scottish Ministers so there's a hint. 

'The Bank is wholly owned by the Scottish Ministers on behalf of the people of Scotland. It is a public limited company and has been established to operate commercially, and operationally independent from The Scottish Government'.

The party has been open in it's statement that on Independence one important step is to rejoin the EU, the steps required are clearly set up and outlined in the Copenhagen Criteria, part of that Criteria is that the country applying for membership must have a functioning market economy, with that it is obvious that we must have in place a transitionary currency and that will be a Scottish Pound  backed by the Scottish Central Bank.

That currency will be a temporary measure until we are accepted into the EU and we adopt the Euro, bear in mind that Lithuania and Latvia broke away from the Russian Rouble and set up the Litas and Lats currencies respectively as part of their Copenhagen Criteria EU application, both now have the Euro as their official currency.

Yes, but where is the money going? 

If I am not mistaken, Scotland will need its own currency to apply for EU membership. 

Edited October 15, 2022 by Kenneth840

[Kenneth840]

21 hours ago, Brother Blades said:

 

And your solution is?  

No blah blah blah.  What do you suggest we do?