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9 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

f**k me, first the EU queue pish, today it's 'The UK is country'.

What's the fallacy for tomorrow?  We've had penshuns and currency.  I'll take defence/NATO if that's ok with everyone?

Has annex Faslane came up yet? I’m old enough to remember that being discussed in 2014

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6 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

Has annex Faslane came up yet? I’m old enough to remember that being discussed in 2014

I think it was mentioned briefly yesterday but there wasn't much discussion on it.

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Interesting to see that Dorothy Bain herself, doesn't appear to believe in her own arguments, or indeed in the 'competence' of the Scottish govt to hold a Referendum at present...Some quotes from her this week:

1) “I could not clear the bill as appended. I do not have the necessary confidence that the bill is within the competence of the Scottish parliament
2) “A referendum on a matter which is ultra vires, is also ultra vires” (so beyond the powers of the Scottish parliament then, in Bain's own opinion)
3) “It is a peculiarity that the Scotland Act refers to the Union of the Kingdoms of Scotland and England. Those states no longer exist, having been replaced by the United Kingdom”…(two hours later) “Nothing turns on the peculiarity. The union is a full political and economic union between what were two previously independent countries.”
4) “There is clearly a cogent argument that the Scottish Parliament does not have the competence to pass this bill”

Don't see the Supreme Court route ending well when the SNP's own appointed lawyer doesn't actually believe that the case should or could win.

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1 hour ago, TheScarf said:

f**k me, first the EU queue pish, today it's 'The UK is country'.

What's the fallacy for tomorrow?  We've had penshuns and currency.  I'll take defence/NATO if that's ok with everyone?

Just read a summary of a report’The Road to the Scottish Currency’ by the Scottish Currency Group which states that it is likely that the SG will take over, on Independence Day, the paying of UK state pensions to Scottish residents.

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4 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Just read a summary of a report’The Road to the Scottish Currency’ by the Scottish Currency Group which states that it is likely that the SG will take over, on Independence Day, the paying of UK state pensions to Scottish residents.

And what about all the money Scots have paid into their pensions before independence? Who will pay that?

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Just read a summary of a report’The Road to the Scottish Currency’ by the Scottish Currency Group which states that it is likely that the SG will take over, on Independence Day, the paying of UK state pensions to Scottish residents.
Of course they will, but some form of settlement will have to be reached with the rUK over compensation for contributions that have already been collected by them.
Is this still a bone of contention?
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Just now, Dawson Park Boy said:

Irrelevant.

How the fuck are you still not getting this?  You're either trolling, or just very thick.

As an aside, will you be moving to the UK when Scotland gains independence?

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I know the vast, vast majority of Falkirk fans live in some wild fantasy world where they're a Premiership top 6 club, but fucking fuck me, this kid is next level.

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16 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

How the f**k are you still not getting this?  You're either trolling, or just very thick.

As an aside, will you be moving to the UK when Scotland gains independence?

 

12 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

I know the vast, vast majority of Falkirk fans live in some wild fantasy world where they're a Premiership top 6 club, but fucking f**k me, this kid is next level.

GD gets it.

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15 hours ago, BudBudBud said:

Because the UK is a country, and if you have an emotional attachment to it then you don’t want part of it splitting off.

it’s not being denied anyway, because Scots don’t want it.

The UK isnt a country. 
But the notion that the tories love us to the extent that they’d (if your arguement is correct (which it isnt) that Scotland is a financial burden but its ok for lil ole england to pick up the slack) fund us to ‘more than rest of the UK levels when the English voter is amongst the most inward xenophobic dey dook ar jabs types going is quite the take.

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24 minutes ago, Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo said:

Not having a pot of cash for something doesn't mean there isn't a liability.

There is a liability and it will be paid by the SG as long as  you live after independence.

If you die before or during receiving the pension your estate gets nil unlike funded pensions.

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There is a liability and it will be paid by the SG as long as  you live after independence.
If you die before or during receiving the pension your estate gets nil unlike funded pensions.
You can't even get that bit right - there are cases when your husband, wife, or civil partner (if you have one) could inherit some of your State Pension. This depends on the amount of National Insurance contributions you both made, and when you both reached (or will reach) State Pension age.

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