Clown Job Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, TheScarf said: f**k me, first the EU queue pish, today it's 'The UK is country'. What's the fallacy for tomorrow? We've had penshuns and currency. I'll take defence/NATO if that's ok with everyone? Has annex Faslane came up yet? I’m old enough to remember that being discussed in 2014 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, Clown Job said: Has annex Faslane came up yet? I’m old enough to remember that being discussed in 2014 I think it was mentioned briefly yesterday but there wasn't much discussion on it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) Interesting to see that Dorothy Bain herself, doesn't appear to believe in her own arguments, or indeed in the 'competence' of the Scottish govt to hold a Referendum at present...Some quotes from her this week: 1) “I could not clear the bill as appended. I do not have the necessary confidence that the bill is within the competence of the Scottish parliament” 2) “A referendum on a matter which is ultra vires, is also ultra vires” (so beyond the powers of the Scottish parliament then, in Bain's own opinion) 3) “It is a peculiarity that the Scotland Act refers to the Union of the Kingdoms of Scotland and England. Those states no longer exist, having been replaced by the United Kingdom”…(two hours later) “Nothing turns on the peculiarity. The union is a full political and economic union between what were two previously independent countries.” 4) “There is clearly a cogent argument that the Scottish Parliament does not have the competence to pass this bill” Don't see the Supreme Court route ending well when the SNP's own appointed lawyer doesn't actually believe that the case should or could win. Edited October 13, 2022 by Jedi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 hour ago, TheScarf said: f**k me, first the EU queue pish, today it's 'The UK is country'. What's the fallacy for tomorrow? We've had penshuns and currency. I'll take defence/NATO if that's ok with everyone? Just read a summary of a report’The Road to the Scottish Currency’ by the Scottish Currency Group which states that it is likely that the SG will take over, on Independence Day, the paying of UK state pensions to Scottish residents. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Just read a summary of a report’The Road to the Scottish Currency’ by the Scottish Currency Group which states that it is likely that the SG will take over, on Independence Day, the paying of UK state pensions to Scottish residents. And what about all the money Scots have paid into their pensions before independence? Who will pay that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakedee Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Just read a summary of a report’The Road to the Scottish Currency’ by the Scottish Currency Group which states that it is likely that the SG will take over, on Independence Day, the paying of UK state pensions to Scottish residents.Of course they will, but some form of settlement will have to be reached with the rUK over compensation for contributions that have already been collected by them.Is this still a bone of contention? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 And what about all the money Scots have paid into their pensions before independence? Who will pay that?He's been schooled from all quarters on this but still insists on making a c**t of himself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 People talk about state pension payments as if they come out of a big kitty, they don’t. Current pension contributions (along with other taxes) are used to pay current pensions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, jakedee said: Of course they will, but some form of settlement will have to be reached with the rUK over compensation for contributions that have already been collected by them. Is this still a bone of contention? No. I rest my case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, TheScarf said: And what about all the money Scots have paid into their pensions before independence? Who will pay that? Irrelevant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Just now, Dawson Park Boy said: Irrelevant. How the fuck are you still not getting this? You're either trolling, or just very thick. As an aside, will you be moving to the UK when Scotland gains independence? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Irrelevant. f**k me, your stupid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 I know the vast, vast majority of Falkirk fans live in some wild fantasy world where they're a Premiership top 6 club, but fucking fuck me, this kid is next level. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Looks like they might as well have put Donald Findlay in, to argue the SG case at the Supreme Court. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 16 minutes ago, TheScarf said: How the f**k are you still not getting this? You're either trolling, or just very thick. As an aside, will you be moving to the UK when Scotland gains independence? 12 minutes ago, TheScarf said: I know the vast, vast majority of Falkirk fans live in some wild fantasy world where they're a Premiership top 6 club, but fucking f**k me, this kid is next level. GD gets it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 14 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: GD gets it. Not having a pot of cash for something doesn't mean there isn't a liability. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 15 hours ago, BudBudBud said: Because the UK is a country, and if you have an emotional attachment to it then you don’t want part of it splitting off. it’s not being denied anyway, because Scots don’t want it. The UK isnt a country. But the notion that the tories love us to the extent that they’d (if your arguement is correct (which it isnt) that Scotland is a financial burden but its ok for lil ole england to pick up the slack) fund us to ‘more than rest of the UK levels when the English voter is amongst the most inward xenophobic dey dook ar jabs types going is quite the take. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 24 minutes ago, Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo said: Not having a pot of cash for something doesn't mean there isn't a liability. There is a liability and it will be paid by the SG as long as you live after independence. If you die before or during receiving the pension your estate gets nil unlike funded pensions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Looks like they might as well have put Donald Findlay in, to argue the SG case at the Supreme Court.If you are talking about the Advocate General for Scotland - that's actually an appointment of HM Government. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 There is a liability and it will be paid by the SG as long as you live after independence. If you die before or during receiving the pension your estate gets nil unlike funded pensions.You can't even get that bit right - there are cases when your husband, wife, or civil partner (if you have one) could inherit some of your State Pension. This depends on the amount of National Insurance contributions you both made, and when you both reached (or will reach) State Pension age. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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