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Nicola Sturgeon's letter:

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In May last year the Scottish Government was re-elected on a clear promise to give the people of Scotland the choice of independence. The election also returned a Scottish Parliament with a decisive majority in favour of independence and with a mandate for an independence referendum.

In line with that mandate, we committed last year to work to ensure that a legitimate and constitutional referendum could be held, if the Covid crisis is over, within the first half of this term of the Scottish Parliament.

Your government has made abundantly clear your reluctance to respect that mandate or to respond positively to my previous request for constructive engagement to agree the terms of an Order in Council under Section 30 of the Scotland Act 1998 to put the legal basis of a referendum beyond any doubt.

Against that background, the Lord Advocate has, following a request from me, decided to refer to the Supreme Court the question of whether Scottish Parliament legislation for such a referendum relates to reserved matters. The reference is being served on the Advocate General today.

It is a matter of deep regret to me that this action is necessary. In a voluntary union of nations where the people of one nation have voted in elections to give a mandate for a referendum it is, in my view, unacceptable democratically that the route to a referendum to be via the courts rather than co-operation between the UK and Scottish governments.

Indeed your actions to date call into question the whole idea of the UK as a voluntary partnership.

You and I will never agree on the merits of independence for Scotland. But I would expect any democrat to agree that it is unacceptable for the people of Scotland to be blocked from making that choice given the clear majority for a referendum in the Scottish Parliament.

Although the court action is in progress, I continue to stand ready to negotiate the terms of a Section 30 order with you, as we did with the UK Government in 2012, to respect the mandate given by the people of Scotland.

Nicola Sturgeon

So it's really been around 10 years since we began discussion over the last referendum.

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1 hour ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

I like this idea as long as no-one who lives in Edinburgh gets a vote

Harsh. We've already lost our fitba team. If we lost our vote as well then we'd truly have to start supporting Berwick Rangers....

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Looks like my son's first ever vote will be placed for an independent Scotland in 2023  :wub:

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27 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

The MP for South Croydon telling the jocks what they want 

I wonder if he has any knowledge about this issue or is just using people dying, as a cheap sound bite.

I suspect it's a sound bite. Horrible horrible stuff.

Also I'd love to see where he found The FM saying it's a once in a generation vote.

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2 hours ago, Albus Bulbasaur said:

The idea that UDI would happen after a GE is absolutely insane and is pure red meat. 

The idea of this was actually a tory proclamation. Margaret Thatcher I believe. 

2 hours ago, Les Cabbage said:

I agree with the majority of your sentiments but do you not realise that this shit is going to be around for the whole thing regardless of one persons post on a football messageboard.

The “I’m not going to vote yes because I hate the SNP” is something that’s going to be around no matter what happens.

I hate the snp but will be voting yes! Cannot fucking wait to vote yes. Every fucker should vote yes. 

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3 minutes ago, 101 said:

I wonder if he has any knowledge about this issue or is just using people dying, as a cheap sound bite.

I suspect it's a sound bite. Horrible horrible stuff.

Also I'd love to see where he found The FM saying it's a once in a generation vote.

Would only take him a 10 seconds google search tbf. 

1 minute ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

The idea of this was actually a tory proclamation. Margaret Thatcher I believe. 

I hate the snp but will be voting yes! Cannot fucking wait to vote yes. Every fucker should vote yes. 

This was before my lifetime but I would disagree with the idea. Can't see it happening anyway. 

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One aspect of this that shouldn't be forgotten in this thread at least, more than the wider debate itself, is that the bigoted, self loathing toxic auld xenophobe Kincardine has absolutely no say whatsover  in the debate, or the vote to come. 
 
Fabulous, isn't it?
Had that moon howling gonk on ignore for a while now, would recommend.
I had the jakey racist on ignore for a while, but along with DPB they make such great point and laugh posters. I mean you can just imagine the actual nick he's going to be in on a nightly basis after today. Lovely.

That Duries Air Freshener boy however is a complete waste of bandwidth and total ignore material.
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1 minute ago, Albus Bulbasaur said:

Would only take him a 10 seconds google search tbf. 

Hopefully he will be pressurising the PM to devolve all aspects of legislation around controlled substances then!

Safe consumption rooms, decriminalisation personal use, battering f**k out of dealers and organised crims. The last one is possible but so much of the contraband enters from England and with their largest police force under special measures due to being permafucked then it's not the greatest advert for the benefits of unionism.

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Kincardine likes to play up how great living in Tory Buckinghamshire is.

I did a course in High Wycombe Bucks years ago and we were strongly advised by the hotel staff not to venture into the town centre at nights. 

That only ever happened to me twice further, once in a Mexico City district and again in Cabinda.

I always wondered if Kincardines kids are embarrassed by his Scottish accent and that in turn caused him to despise his country of birth.

I just know they call him Jock or maybe Cock.

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1 hour ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

If that was just a little shorter, it would make a grand pro-Indy t-shirt slogan 😆

Yeah, I’ll just go with FÜCK THE TORIES.

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