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If the supreme court answer is no and there is a further no from Westminster the SNP will fight the general election on a single issue ticket .. a de facto referendum

Wee Dougie has just filled his pants 

 

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Class that she's already set out the expectations that when they get told it's illegal then it's "Westminsters fault" and how they'll fight the next GE. 

So we're in the exact same place we were for the past decade. Nationalists that haven't drunk the kool aid like some of the regular sycophants here must be massively let down. 

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Just now, sophia said:

If the answer is no and there is a further no from Westminster the SNP will fight the general election on a single issue ticket .. a de facto referendum

Wee Dougie has just filled his pants 

 

Shameless power grab. If we can’t get this through just give us all the power anyway. What a brass neck.

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5 minutes ago, sophia said:

Lord Advocate is immediately going to the Supreme Court to establish legality

I'm not wholly sold on the chances of getting a decent result out of that.

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To be fair to Sturgeon, that was an excellent speech.

Clear, relatively concise and for once showing that she's actually thought things through fully in terms of process.

She's also snookered Westminster with her decision that we'll either get a consultative referendum on it's own or the General Election becomes that referendum. She's removed the "legitimacy" argument at a stroke right there IMO and opponents of independence now can't use that argument without looking like they directly want to block democracy.

That was clever.

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f**k (and I cannot stress this enough) the SNP, shocking party that have shown themselves up as incompetent and left a lot of their morals and values in question.

However if this goes ahead I have absolutely no doubt that it’ll be a Yes vote from me, have absolutely no love for the UK, England or anything like that, the SNP won’t be around forever, I do sincerely hope this goes ahead and that we don’t f**k it up this time.

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I haven’t seen the speech but the outcomes seem fairly pragmatic. Plan A is try asking, which will be a no. Then it’ll be the courts, which I suspect will also be a no.

Plan C is the interesting one. I think Sturgeon deserves credit from all sides for not going down the route of an “illegal” referendum as a fair chunk of her party members would like. However what is the detail of using the GE as a ‘de facto’ referendum? If the SNP get more than 50% of the vote, it’s UDI? An extra extra special mandate to ask for a Section 30 again? Or does a simple plurality of seats under FPTP count as a win?

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1 minute ago, Paco said:

I haven’t seen the speech but the outcomes seem fairly pragmatic. Plan A is try asking, which will be a no. Then it’ll be the courts, which I suspect will also be a no.

Plan C is the interesting one. I think Sturgeon deserves credit from all sides for not going down the route of an “illegal” referendum as a fair chunk of her party members would like. However what is the detail of using the GE as a ‘de facto’ referendum? If the SNP get more than 50% of the vote, it’s UDI? An extra extra special mandate to ask for a Section 30 again? Or does a simple plurality of seats under FPTP count as a win?

Simple plurality of seats. No doubt there would be some kind of Unionist coalition to stand against it that time.

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Just now, Albus Bulbasaur said:

The idea that UDI would happen after a GE is absolutely insane and is pure red meat. 

I don't think she mentioned UDI.

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1 minute ago, Paco said:

Plan C is the interesting one. I think Sturgeon deserves credit from all sides for not going down the route of an “illegal” referendum as a fair chunk of her party members would like. However what is the detail of using the GE as a ‘de facto’ referendum? If the SNP get more than 50% of the vote, it’s UDI? An extra extra special mandate to ask for a Section 30 again? Or does a simple plurality of seats under FPTP count as a win?

My main concern here is that the SNP cannot control the narrative that they are the Indy movement itself.

I’m off the scale in favour of Indy, but I simply cannot vote SNP as a means to an end and no party should ever expect you to in a democracy.

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1 minute ago, Paco said:

I haven’t seen the speech but the outcomes seem fairly pragmatic. Plan A is try asking, which will be a no. Then it’ll be the courts, which I suspect will also be a no.

Plan C is the interesting one. I think Sturgeon deserves credit from all sides for not going down the route of an “illegal” referendum as a fair chunk of her party members would like. However what is the detail of using the GE as a ‘de facto’ referendum? If the SNP get more than 50% of the vote, it’s UDI? An extra extra special mandate to ask for a Section 30 again? Or does a simple plurality of seats under FPTP count as a win?


Even the plan C is questionable IMO. The UK government would be under no obligation to respect the results of a “de facto” referendum.

 

IMO the best chance of independence happening is a legal referendum being bargained for by SNP MPs in a hung Parliament scenario after the next general election. 

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3 minutes ago, BigDoddyKane said:

I hope it can be written into this indyref when agreed (for me it will happen) that its agreed regardless of result no other referendum will be held within 20 years

Think if it's a no vote this time again. We won't get another referendum for a long time. 

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