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1 hour ago, Zern said:

Look into a postal vote 😉

Watched the full announcement, and the q&a, both Patrick and Nicola handled themselves extremely well and set out their intention to hold a referendum with or without a section 30.

Except we all know that's a piece of nonsense.

It's a bone tossed to the Natter dafties.

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29 minutes ago, 101 said:

Depends how the UKG carry on if they try and break the Good Friday Agreement either to deport folk to Rwanda or to solve their negotiated Brexit then we might see the UK be shunned for breaching a treaty and the GFA.

However just like Brexit and Trump maybe folk will just be fed up with the UK Government and the UK parliament and just go "f**k this". We know Johnston will continue to lurch from controversy to controversy and undermine pretty much everything then I would imagine that group will grow, also if EU nationals can vote then that would help. 

I agree with all the sentiments about how shite the current state of UK politics and how much of a c**t Boris is I just can't agree that the silver bullet to this issue is SI. It's extremely radical and a bit of a gamble in the same way Brexit was imo. 

I'd support more devolution and similar things but full Independence right now isolating ourselves from the UK and the EU for the next decade is not what I think is best for your average person living in the UK. 

18 minutes ago, git-intae-thum said:

After all that has happened in the last 8 years its a bit of a brass neck for the britnat side to go on about the "uncertainty" of independence.😄

You raised two huge issues which I have emboldened above.

The first issue on obviously affects the wider international economy and whilst maybe not caused by the policies of HM gov.... its consequences are certainly exarcebated.

Of the second point there is no doubt. Westminster is completely to blame for us getting dragged out the EU against the wish of the vast majority of Scots.

Huge issues, continuing to impact on the lives of everyone in Scotland....and yet decisions are made for us that are clearly not for the benefit of the Scottish economy and inspite of Scottish public opinion. We are not even an afterthought for these [email protected] at Westminster. That's uncertainty.

 

Stopped reading at "Britnat". 

I'm nowhere near a British Nationalist. You're larping right now. 

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4 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Except we all know that's a piece of nonsense.

It's a bone tossed to the Natter dafties.

With or without.

She's told you once.

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19 minutes ago, Albus Bulbasaur said:

I agree with all the sentiments about how shite the current state of UK politics and how much of a c**t Boris is I just can't agree that the silver bullet to this issue is SI. It's extremely radical and a bit of a gamble in the same way Brexit was imo. 

I'd support more devolution and similar things but full Independence right now isolating ourselves from the UK and the EU for the next decade is not what I think is best for your average person living in the UK. 

Stopped reading at "Britnat". 

I'm nowhere near a British Nationalist. You're larping right now. 

If it swings towards the UK needing to win rather than just defending then I would be interested to see the positive case made by the old guard who don't seem capable of doing do and just pour scorn on the whole thing.

I'm not entirely sure we would be isolated for a decade the UK are desperately doing deals with anyone including the Greenland deal that's going through just now. Also if Russia continue to have sanctions on them Scotland joining the EU would be an attractive solution for some energy. Also we are so closely aligned that it wouldn't need to be the full blown process, that said neither would be done all at once and there would be some transition period which would be odd as of course we may have completed Brexit by the end of 2023 or  early 2024.

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3 minutes ago, 101 said:

If it swings towards the UK needing to win rather than just defending then I would be interested to see the positive case made by the old guard who don't seem capable of doing do and just pour scorn on the whole thing.

I'm not entirely sure we would be isolated for a decade the UK are desperately doing deals with anyone including the Greenland deal that's going through just now. Also if Russia continue to have sanctions on them Scotland joining the EU would be an attractive solution for some energy. Also we are so closely aligned that it wouldn't need to be the full blown process, that said neither would be done all at once and there would be some transition period which would be odd as of course we may have completed Brexit by the end of 2023 or  early 2024.

You seem to think that partitioning Britain has some geopolitical resonance.  It doesn't.

It's all about a shower of daft xenophobes - neds, boors and Shinners - wanting a chap from Eyemouth having to cross an international border to go 10 miles for his messages in Berwick.

It is nasty and pernicious.

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9 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

You seem to think that partitioning Britain has some geopolitical resonance.  It doesn't.

It's all about a shower of daft xenophobes - neds, boors and Shinners - wanting a chap from Eyemouth having to cross an international border to go 10 miles for his messages in Berwick.

It is nasty and pernicious.

I'm not entirely sure how the movement of goods for personal consumption works in the common travel area.

However I do think with The UK proving just how difficult, perhaps impossible, to control the border that they wouldn't consider joining the single market if they only neighbour they could trade with sans red tape was Wales.

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2 minutes ago, 101 said:

I'm not entirely sure how the movement of goods for personal consumption works in the common travel area.

However I do think with The UK proving just how difficult, perhaps impossible, to control the border that they wouldn't consider joining the single market if they only neighbour they could trade with sans red tape was Wales.

None of that gets away from the fact that drawing the tartan curtain across Britain is nasty, brutal and divisive.  But that the Nats for you.

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Just now, The_Kincardine said:

None of that gets away from the fact that drawing the tartan curtain across Britain is nasty, brutal and divisive.  But that the Nats for you.

Haha as opposed to the nice and comfy Union banner down the middle of the United Kingdom. 

There is no need for it to be brutal or decisive, we know this because the UK have basically 0 power in the trade deals they have negotiated so Scotland can just follow and and do as wel please and let the UK government take what they are given 😅

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3 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

None of that gets away from the fact that drawing the tartan curtain across Britain is nasty, brutal and divisive.  But that the Nats for you.

There's no border between NI and Eire, I'm sure we can work out a similar deal.

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6 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Daft Patrick Harvie - a part of Scotland's government - talking gibberish.  Again.

I really do hope that they go ahead with an unauthorised opinion poll.

 

Patrick Harvie doesn't even appear in the clip. 

It's difficult to take you seriously when you continually post nonsense.

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6 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

There's no border between NI and Eire, I'm sure we can work out a similar deal.

Why do you want to do it in the first place, though.  And we know it's nothing to do with Toooorrriiiiesss or Brexit as Natterism has been Scotland's running sore for decades.

It's got worse over the past 20ish years as Scotland has given in to boor, neds and Shinners.  Sadly.

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4 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said:

Patrick Harvie doesn't even appear in the clip. 

It's difficult to take you seriously when you continually post nonsense.

You are right.  Daft post.  

Edit:  I edited it but left my mistake in rather than try and pretend it didn't happen.

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2 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

And we know it's nothing to do with Toooorrriiiiesss or Brexit

It's everything to do with that, the Tories are causing deliberate self harm to the UK economy and turning it into a pariah state. And your neighbours keep voting for them. Why would we want to remain shackled to that?

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2 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

It's everything to do with that, the Tories are causing deliberate self harm to the UK economy and turning it into a pariah state. And your neighbours keep voting for them. Why would we want to remain shackled to that?

It's not at all.  I've known us to have Labour, Conservative and coalition governments.  I've know us to be new joiners to the EEC, be at the heart of Europe and to be out of the EU.

In all those years the Natwits have wanted independence.  'Brexit' or 'Toooorrrriiiieees' are just two recent grievances to hang the Natwit hat on.

 

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2 hours ago, git-intae-thum said:

Of the second point there is no doubt. Westminster is completely to blame for us getting dragged out the EU against the wish of the vast majority of Scots.

 

The only people to 'blame' (sic) for us leaving the EU are the voters, including 38% of Scots who voted leave.

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