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2 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

For as long as I can remember, the SNP have been promising thousands and thousands of green jobs.

Where are they? The vast majority are overseas. Nothing to do with being in the Union.

What s going to change?

Offshore wind sector 'will employ almost 100,000 by 2030' - Business Insider

By coincidence, this popped up on my twitter feed today.

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5 minutes ago, Crazy Days said:

In her foreword she states "Independence in itself does not guarantee success for any country."  That's bound to bring on board the undecided.

The undecided will share that take, they have to be persuaded that independence offers a better chance of success than remaining shackled to a UK seemingly committed to self harm and international pariah status.

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The Belfast protocol stuff and trying to get people to take risks on the currency when inflation is running wild across Europe makes this a non starter.

Being in the EU in 2014 made the Yes case a lot more convincing.

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1 hour ago, Zern said:

2023 is good for me. Can't see any reason why not.

I'm a bit busy next year TBH. Can't we bring it forward to the end of this one?

Edit: bollocks, forgot about the World Cup. Is October too soon?

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2 hours ago, Albus Bulbasaur said:

 

 

Is it embarassing? There wasn't any commitments, that said it would be a whole lot more realistic to try the "let's be better than that lot" by actually respecting the parliamentary, they did okay during Covid so hopefully the presiding officer giving them a bollocking will be an end to the matter.

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35 minutes ago, BFTD said:

I'm a bit busy next year TBH. Can't we bring it forward to the end of this one?

Edit: bollocks, forgot about the World Cup. Is October too soon?

Look into a postal vote 😉

Watched the full announcement, and the q&a, both Patrick and Nicola handled themselves extremely well and set out their intention to hold a referendum with or without a section 30.

I do have one criticism; they should've sprung for a second signer as the lady had to move very quickly when switching between speakers, she looked quite worn out by it all!

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35 minutes ago, 101 said:

Is it embarassing? There wasn't any commitments, that said it would be a whole lot more realistic to try the "let's be better than that lot" by actually respecting the parliamentary, they did okay during Covid so hopefully the presiding officer giving them a bollocking will be an end to the matter.

I don't think it's particularly embarrassing just journalists being journalists. Generally speaking as a Yoon it's not really much though is it? 

It's essentially what we've heard for the last 8 years. 

As @Detournementsaid the timing if they were to somehow have an ace up their sleeve and have a referendum is bizarre anyway. Cost of living crisis and Brexit problems makes further turmoil and potential further generations of austerity quite unappealing, the uncertainty of their arguments is not a good sale at this present time. 

I'd actually be interested to hear from some of the more sensible Indy supporters that would only support a referendum when they think they can actually win it what they think about having one in this climate. 

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25 minutes ago, Albus Bulbasaur said:

I don't think it's particularly embarrassing just journalists being journalists. Generally speaking as a Yoon it's not really much though is it? 

It's essentially what we've heard for the last 8 years. 

As @Detournementsaid the timing if they were to somehow have an ace up their sleeve and have a referendum is bizarre anyway. Cost of living crisis and Brexit problems makes further turmoil and potential further generations of austerity quite unappealing, the uncertainty of their arguments is not a good sale at this present time. 

I'd actually be interested to hear from some of the more sensible Indy supporters that would only support a referendum when they think they can actually win it what they think about having one in this climate. 

Depends how the UKG carry on if they try and break the Good Friday Agreement either to deport folk to Rwanda or to solve their negotiated Brexit then we might see the UK be shunned for breaching a treaty and the GFA.

However just like Brexit and Trump maybe folk will just be fed up with the UK Government and the UK parliament and just go "f**k this". We know Johnston will continue to lurch from controversy to controversy and undermine pretty much everything then I would imagine that group will grow, also if EU nationals can vote then that would help. 

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31 minutes ago, Albus Bulbasaur said:

I don't think it's particularly embarrassing just journalists being journalists. Generally speaking as a Yoon it's not really much though is it? 

It's essentially what we've heard for the last 8 years. 

As @Detournementsaid the timing if they were to somehow have an ace up their sleeve and have a referendum is bizarre anyway. Cost of living crisis and Brexit problems makes further turmoil and potential further generations of austerity quite unappealing, the uncertainty of their arguments is not a good sale at this present time. 

I'd actually be interested to hear from some of the more sensible Indy supporters that would only support a referendum when they think they can actually win it what they think about having one in this climate. 

Depends how the UKG carry on if they try and break the Good Friday Agreement either to deport folk to Rwanda or to solve their negotiated Brexit then we might see the UK be shunned for breaching a treaty and the GFA.

However just like Brexit and Trump maybe folk will just be fed up with the UK Government and the UK parliament and just go "f**k this". We know Johnston will continue to lurch from controversy to controversy and undermine pretty much everything then I would imagine that group will grow, also if EU nationals can vote then that would help. 

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18 minutes ago, Albus Bulbasaur said:

 

As @Detournementsaid the timing if they were to somehow have an ace up their sleeve and have a referendum is bizarre anyway. Cost of living crisis and Brexit problems makes further turmoil and potential further generations of austerity quite unappealing, the uncertainty of their arguments is not a good sale at this present time. 

I'd actually be interested to hear from some of the more sensible Indy supporters that would only support a referendum when they think they can actually win it what they think about having one in this climate. 

After all that has happened in the last 8 years its a bit of a brass neck for the britnat side to go on about the "uncertainty" of independence.😄

You raised two huge issues which I have emboldened above.

The first issue on obviously affects the wider international economy and whilst maybe not caused by the policies of HM gov.... its consequences are certainly exarcebated.

Of the second point there is no doubt. Westminster is completely to blame for us getting dragged out the EU against the wish of the vast majority of Scots.

Huge issues, continuing to impact on the lives of everyone in Scotland....and yet decisions are made for us that are clearly not for the benefit of the Scottish economy and inspite of Scottish public opinion. We are not even an afterthought for these [email protected] at Westminster. That's uncertainty.

 

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Further generations of austerity? Austerity is a Tory policy. One that began in the coalition and continues today, they have shrunk spending on budgets and shrunk the grant to Scotland as a consequence, add in the fuckery of Brexit and you have an economy that performing as badly as Russia.

Reversing the worst of Brexit would benefit Scotland, as would the reallocation of funds raised through taxation under the increased powers. Defence spending in particular would be significantly cut, as we have no need to fund nuclear weapons, their support infrastructure nor the platforms to deploy them.

That and the EU will actually assist Scotland with funding, because they are not incompetent.

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