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At a time of spiraling living costs, while the SNP are introducing savage cuts; to local government, universities, policing, the courts, enterprise and real terms cuts to the health service. How can they possibly justify spaffing another £20 million up against the the wall in what is essentially a vanity project?

 

On 12/06/2022 at 11:22, Granny Danger said:

There’s an underlying point.  A country that does not have full financial autonomy will never be able to determine its own future.

Certain craven creatures are quite happy with this state of affairs.

It's an undeniable fact that rejoining the EU would necessitate joining the Eurozone(Euro) and abiding by rules set in Brussels by people you've never heard of, let alone voted for.

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3 minutes ago, Terry_Tibbs said:

It's an undeniable fact that rejoining the EU would necessitate joining the Eurozone(Euro)

Tell that to Sweden.

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Tough one for Sturgeon on EU membership. Rejoining it is a very popular policy among independence supporters, but unfortunately the EU is also very bad.

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2 minutes ago, G51 said:

Tough one for Sturgeon on EU membership. Rejoining it is a very popular policy among independence supporters, but unfortunately the EU is also very bad.

I would argue that the UK is far worse. They're putting out a paper on it soon but it wouldn't surprise me if we didn't start with a Swiss/Norwegian model to start with, something even Farage said would be best for the UK before the Brexit vote.

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7 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Tell that to Sweden.

The Eurozone didn't exist when Sweden joined the EU.

The rules for new members are quite clear.

I can't tell if you're being disingenuous or if you're just plain ignorant/obtuse.

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10 minutes ago, Terry_Tibbs said:

The Eurozone didn't exist when Sweden joined the EU.

The rules for new members are quite clear.

I can't tell if you're being disingenuous or if you're just plain ignorant/obtuse.

Yes it did. Sweden had to commit to joining the Euro when it met all the criteria, which it has from the start apart from one, having the necessary domestic legislation in place. This it just refuses to do, 27 years later.

https://ec.europa.eu/info/business-economy-euro/euro-area/euro/eu-countries-and-euro/sweden-and-euro_en

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Just now, williemillersmoustache said:

Specifically, about 400 million people to trade and recruit with, from and to, a regulatory regime one of only two which sets world standards and the ability to leave whenever the f**k we like. 

There's nothing stopping an independent Scotland outside of the EU from implementing freedom of movement. That's just a policy.

Most European regulatory bodies are worth f**k all. They're filled with suppliers that write the codes and standards to their own advantage. And in all cases, domestic legislation supersedes EN standards - you can't be prosecuted for failing to follow an EN standard, but failure to follow it can be used as evidence that you didn't comply with the relevant domestic legislation. BS standards are significantly higher than the EN equivalent (where such a divergence still exists).

Joining the EU just because you can leave it doesn't seem very sensible.

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1 minute ago, G51 said:

There's nothing stopping an independent Scotland outside of the EU from implementing freedom of movement. That's just a policy.

Most European regulatory bodies are worth f**k all. They're filled with suppliers that write the codes and standards to their own advantage. And in all cases, domestic legislation supersedes EN standards - you can't be prosecuted for failing to follow an EN standard, but failure to follow it can be used as evidence that you didn't comply with the relevant domestic legislation. BS standards are significantly higher than the EN equivalent (where such a divergence still exists).

Joining the EU just because you can leave it doesn't seem very sensible.

It will be good to be able to make that decision based on what's best for Scotland and the Scottish economy.......rather than have it made for us to our impoverishment.

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9 minutes ago, G51 said:

There's nothing stopping an independent Scotland outside of the EU from implementing freedom of movement. That's just a policy.

Most European regulatory bodies are worth f**k all. They're filled with suppliers that write the codes and standards to their own advantage. And in all cases, domestic legislation supersedes EN standards - you can't be prosecuted for failing to follow an EN standard, but failure to follow it can be used as evidence that you didn't comply with the relevant domestic legislation. BS standards are significantly higher than the EN equivalent (where such a divergence still exists).

Joining the EU just because you can leave it doesn't seem very sensible.

Maybe, I don't think so right enough but these are differences between the UK and the EU. Also declaring FOM unilaterally isn't something you can expect to be reciprocated. Sort of a fundamental misunderstanding there. 

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That's the panic button been pressed - this forum's going to be jumping for the foreseeable  :lol:

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