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1 hour ago, Ayrshire Analytica said:

While it's understandable that for the past year the Scottish Government has devoted the majority of their efforts to the responding to the pandemic, what can be said about the other six years?

You can count out the years 2015, 2016, 2017 we were never going to have a referendum so soon after 2014. The first positive case of Covid in Scotland was 1st March 2020 and we've been playing catchup ever since so that's the last year and a half effectively ruled out.  That leaves you 2018 and 2019 but we hadn't been dragged out of the EU by then, that happened on the 1st January 2020.  SO that leaves you the first two months of 2020 when we could conceivably have had a referendum and the Scottish Government "failed their mandate".

1 hour ago, Ayrshire Analytica said:

A particular low point for me was the bizarre "Save The UK from Brexit" escapade, which we got instead of indy. 

It was a UK election, sport.  The mandate for Indy lies in Holyrood.

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8 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

Shouldn't they be more pissed off at the club that blocked bringing forward the winter break?

1- Majority of them are Dunfermline fans, there is no winter break. 

2-Those that are fans of Premier league clubs are aware the clubs have been put in the situation by Sturgeon. 

 

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12 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

You can count out the years 2015, 2016, 2017 we were never going to have a referendum so soon after 2014. The first positive case of Covid in Scotland was 1st March 2020 and we've been playing catchup ever since so that's the last year and a half effectively ruled out.  That leaves you 2018 and 2019 but we hadn't been dragged out of the EU by then, that happened on the 1st January 2020.  

Did leaving the EU come as a surprise? Was there any prior warning to that happening? 

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11 minutes ago, Grant228 said:

Did leaving the EU come as a surprise? Was there any prior warning to that happening? 

The mandate is "being taken out of the EU against our will" not "going to be taken out of the EU against our will". There was always a slim chance a deal could be done as per the proposal to keep Scotland in the customs union and the single market.

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2 minutes ago, Grant228 said:

Like not chucking us into a lockdown? She's been made to look ridiculous by Boris Johnson. 

You have to be kidding. We're not in lockdown, we have to suffer some slightly inconvenient restrictions and Johnson is playing with fire, London alone is suffering tens of thousands of more new cases per day:

"In the most recent week of complete data (10 December 2021 - 16 December 2021) 131,061 new cases were identified in London, a rate of 1456 cases per 100,000 population. This compares with 52,029 cases and a rate of 578 for the previous week"

https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/coronavirus--covid-19--cases

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8 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

You have to be kidding. We're not in lockdown, we have to suffer some slightly inconvenient restrictions and Johnson is playing with fire, London alone is suffering tens of thousands of more new cases per day:

"In the most recent week of complete data (10 December 2021 - 16 December 2021) 131,061 new cases were identified in London, a rate of 1456 cases per 100,000 population. This compares with 52,029 cases and a rate of 578 for the previous week"

https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/coronavirus--covid-19--cases

Depending on who you speak to will depend on the severity of the restrictions, for some this will mean unemployment, for others it will effect there mental health. If its slightly inconvenient for you then fair, that won't be the case for everyone. 

 

London has platued, cases have actually dropped over the past couple of days, as data suggested it would, which is precisely why these restrictions are a farce. If, as it looks that cases have platued, you'll have England sailing on through the next three weeks, meanwhile up here you'll have people with absolutely needless restrictions. 

 

 

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Depending on who you speak to will depend on the severity of the restrictions, for some this will mean unemployment, for others it will effect there mental health. If its slightly inconvenient for you then fair, that won't be the case for everyone. 
 
London has platued, cases have actually dropped over the past couple of days, as data suggested it would, which is precisely why these restrictions are a farce. If, as it looks that cases have platued, you'll have England sailing on through the next three weeks, meanwhile up here you'll have people with absolutely needless restrictions. 
 
 
You appear to rely on the Daily Mail for your healthcare advice.

That's not a plateau:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nhsRegion%26areaName=London

As for mental health, the lockdown effect may be overstated: https://www.samaritans.org/scotland/about-samaritans/research-policy/coronavirus-and-suicide/one-year-on-data-on-covid-19/what-do-we-know-about-coronavirus-and-suicide-risk/

Sturgeon would get pelters if she ignored SAGE advice and it turned into yet another wave of record deaths. Better safe than dead or permanently impaired.

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5 hours ago, Grant228 said:

Like not chucking us into a lockdown? She's been made to look ridiculous by Boris Johnson. 

Johnson electing not to take any action - not at all through being absolutely terrified of his parties' reaction but as the careful strategist of Europe, continuing to carefully assess public health, the science with the needs of business....

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Grant228 said:

Like not chucking us into a lockdown? She's been made to look ridiculous by Boris Johnson. 

Would you like to consider that the actions taken are broadly similar to many other countries on this continent?

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As much as I didn't want any further restrictions today, I don't think you can judge a few angry posts on a football forum as representative of what the majority of people in Scotland think. 
Her inherent conservatism (small c, obviously) and excellent communication skills are very popular with large swathes of the Scottish population. 
I didn't want these restrictions, but why anyone actually expects her to be a Bolsonaro-type gambler and throw caution to the wind is beyond me. 
I'll pretty much guarantee you that her popularity with the Scottish electorate will be untouched by today's announcement. 
 
You keep throwing in this Bolsonaro pish - no-one is really arguing for that - noblemen the tinfoil hatter that is H_B.

The restrictions announced yesterday were an utter joke aimed at completely the wrong target and undermining the get jabbed objective.

If the likes of Bully are resigning their SNP membership you know there is a problem.

Even without the actions on Covid I've been concerned about the increasingly Stalinist nature of the SNP. I've seen it at a local level where legitimate concerns are just ignored and there is little or no accountability of elected members.

The SNP are fortunate right now that the opposition are just so disorganised and probably worse regards restrictions or there would be a real problem.
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10 hours ago, Grant228 said:

How big a number does it need to be for her popularity to be touched? All my football supporting pals who voted snp are done with her, you had multiple cancellations just on this one corner of the Internet... 

 

It's certainly not unoutched, you just have those extremely loyal to Sturgeon hoping it's not that bad. 

You've probably being spending too much time in tiny echo chambers, reading what you want to read. 

Consider this.....for every puce faced lunatic on the covid thread screaming about how much they hate the SNP there'll be a quiet Mrs McMillan or whoever in Ardrossan, getting her information from the BBC and agreeing with Sturgeon about additional restrictions.

Mrs McMillan has never voted SNP before, but she likes the clear, concise way that Nicola Sturgeon communicates. Mrs McMillan thinks for the first time about voting SNP, because she's sick of the clown in Westminster, and she wants Scotland to have a real leader. 

All hypothetical I know, but very likely. 

If there's one thing I've learned in life, it's that football forums and twitter accounts are never representative of society as a whole. 

 

 

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