Billy Jean King Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 What a nasty, twisted thing to say.Lol your clearly new here.... Just looked aye 22 posts, you will soon learn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 hour ago, oaksoft said: Anyone who voted in 2014 because of concerns over the EU when they knew we were facing a referendum if the Tories won the next election needs their head looked at. 2014 was not lost over the EU. It was lost over basic things such as completely unanswered questions on pensions, currency and borders at Gretna etc. Salmond "didn't do detail" and thought Saltire waving would be enough and that we'd fathom things out later on. Don't get me wrong. He did brilliantly to get so close to winning on the back of no details whatsoever but there's no doubt what caused the ultimate failure in 2014. Flag waving only gets you so far. A lesson the SNP doesn't seem to have learned in the last 8 years. This is not the first time you have posted this trope. 670 pages with approximately 350,000,000 words 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDoddyKane Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 The last indy wasnt lost due to concerns over the EU. Indy2 wont be won because of any notions of rejoining the EU It will be won by selling the fact we can stand on our own 2 feet without the UK or EU 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 22 minutes ago, BigDoddyKane said: The last indy wasnt lost due to concerns over the EU. Indy2 wont be won because of any notions of rejoining the EU It will be won by selling the fact we can stand on our own 2 feet without the UK or EU The Scottish government didn’t lose in 2014 because of the EU issue and the UK government didn’t win because of the EU issue. Both sides made great play of the EU issue, however; and the winning side has since been shown by (remarkably short) history to have been spectacularly wrong to do so. The Scottish electorate can and have legitimately pointed this out and since voted for a say on whether or not we remain in Brexit Britain - something we’ve never done before because Brexit post-dates the last referendum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRocketman II Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 3 hours ago, oaksoft said: Flag waving only gets you so far. A lesson the SNP doesn't seem to have learned in the last 8 years. It is a tactic that successive Westminster Govts (and opposition parties) seem desperate to see how far they can out do each other on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 What a nasty, twisted thing to say.Stunned to see a Rangers fan back up a confirmed racist and misogynist tbh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 47 minutes ago, KingRocketman II said: It is a tactic that successive Westminster Govts (and opposition parties) seem desperate to see how far they can out do each other on. My inherent kindness moved to to restrain myself and avoid contradicting the complete falsehood of "flag-waving". 2014 was the compete antithesis of such, the mood throughout was a rejection of muscular imperialism with the offer of a northern European social democracy as the prize. Oh wait, there was an exception and that was in George Square on the 19th of September. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Flag waving only truly works if it is fanning an undercurrent of racism and xenophobia IMO. All inclusive flag waving gets you nowhere at the ballot box. I think that’s demonstrable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, sophia said: My inherent kindness moved to to restrain myself and avoid contradicting the complete falsehood of "flag-waving". 2014 was the compete antithesis of such, the mood throughout was a rejection of muscular imperialism with the offer of a northern European social democracy as the prize. Oh wait, there was an exception and that was in George Square on the 19th of September. Careful now, @oaksoft might develop an interest in football the way you're going... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Sevco Scotland trading ltd fans decrying a second independence referendum when they were clearly permitted a second rangers...............(the The Rangers.......est 2012.) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamamafegan Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Chagos Islands: Mauritian flag raised on British-controlled islands https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60378487Yes Mauritius! Come on wee nippy #raisethefleg 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oceanlineayr Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 1 hour ago, jamamafegan said: Chagos Islands: Mauritian flag raised on British-controlled islands https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60378487 Yes Mauritius! Come on wee nippy #raisethefleg Mon the Mauritians. That article says the UK's reason to hold onto the islands is for "security purposes". Reckon the hand of Washington is involved in this as Diego Garcia is a joint US-UK base, a base the US likes to deploy their B2 Spirit stealth bombers to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 I mean really…. Who fucking cares. This ain’t the way to win a referendum 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 11 hours ago, Clown Job said: I mean really…. Who fucking cares. This ain’t the way to win a referendum No but it ain’t the way to lose it either. The SNP have to keep the Yes base onside and engaged. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunfermline Don Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 We should just begin negotiating with Westminster now.With the current foreign secretary’s geographical knowledge we would probably be able to claim everything north of Hadrians Wall. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Jon the Oxbow lake said: Distinct lack of recent polling. Anything from the last month? Would reckon it will still be around 45-45 with 10% undecided. Tbf most people asked the question during the Covid period won't give two hoots either way. On the point of the SNP not setting out any detail in 2014 (they did with the 659 page White Paper unlike the fag packet which was Brexit (although tbf it was never meant to win just to position Johnson as the next best Tory leadership candidate for the gammons when they lost))/ As for the detail this time...they have, although it is the depressing Andrew Wilson prospectus of a harsh first decade experience of slashing public services in order to appease big business.(whom the SNP have always been very keen to cosy up to). Edited February 15, 2022 by Jedi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 11 hours ago, Dunfermline Don said: We should just begin negotiating with Westminster now. Negotiating with what? Holyrood needs to be taken in to 'special measures' based on the monumental f**k up it's making of the devolved basics of education, transport, health and local government. You can only negotiate if you;ve something to play with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 9 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Negotiating with what? Holyrood needs to be taken in to 'special measures' based on the monumental f**k up it's making of the devolved basics of education, transport, health and local government. You can only negotiate if you;ve something to play with. ^^^ Point and laugh U have lived in the South of England for decades. You are a bit behind the times. Our public services (and quality of life in general) in Scotland are far superior to down South. The devolved governments have done a no bad job.........but independence will improve things dramatically. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, Jon the Oxbow lake said: I don't mind the "I love the UK" flag shaggers like you. Would you like to distance yourself from the idiots that suggest Scotland couldn't ring our own town. You'll remember the idiotic few that tried that line in 2014! I believe the Daily Express still try in from time to time! I distance myself from the 'too small; too poor' idiots. That is clearly not the case. Scotland is clearly a great part of Britain with wealth and resources that most can only dream of. I am firmly in the 'too stupid' camp, though. We've had a 15 year preview of iJock and it is bloody. With a Barnett premium of £2,000 pppa ScotGov has Scandi levels of support but with Botswana levels of service delivery. The collective 'you' had a chance to make Scotland better. You had the budget to deliver. In the big devolved areas of health, education, transport and local government you have turned everything to shit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, git-intae-thum said: U have lived in the South of England for decades. You are a bit behind the times. Our public services (and quality of life in general) in Scotland are far superior to down South. Not that long plus I travel a lot as my three are at Unis in Bath, M'cester and Sheffield. If I visit G Central I feel the need of a HazMat suit. In Sheffield, Bath and M'cester not at all. I'm a normal daytripper. This has only happened in the past 20 years - mostly under Natter Scotland. You said, "quality of life in general in Scotland (are) is far superior to down South." and in part you're right. Scotland is brilliant. But the brilliant bits are untouched by the odious Nats. Nationalist Scotland is concentrated into the odious Yes Favelas of Dundee, East Glasgow and N Lanarkshire. All of which are areas that normal folk want to leave. The nice parts of Scotland are mostly the No-voting sensible parts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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