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42 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

An awful lot of effort is expended to make the idea seem like extremism. 

A favourite is the line we want to "break up our country" which is laughable because in order for it to be "ours" we'd be able to influence it by means other than giving £3m to the conservative party and finally demolishing the last bits of the empire would do a huge service for the human race. It's a nonsense, a horrible cunty nonsense of a way to govern anyone. 

Wanting to partition our unitary nation-state and using the justification that Scotland is a hang-over of England's imperial past is extremism.  And ignorant extremism at that.

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7 minutes ago, DublinMagyar said:
13 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:
Wanting to partition our unitary nation-state and using the justification that Scotland is a hang-over of England's imperial past is extremism.  And ignorant extremism at that.

Happy to partition Ireland though, aren't you?

I have many thousands of posts on here yet have said very little about Ireland though I do have a certain fondness for both the Orange Order and the Irish rugby team.  Both of which are, of course, whole-island organisations.

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13 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

I have many thousands of posts on here yet have said very little about Ireland though I do have a certain fondness for both the Orange Order and the Irish rugby team.  Both of which are, of course, whole-island organisations.

 

So.... Would you be happy to see a United Ireland?

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24 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Wanting to partition our unitary nation-state and using the justification that Scotland is a hang-over of England's imperial past is extremism.  And ignorant extremism at that.

Partition is something very different, something very different which Britain did to India, Ireland and Palestine. The border exists. This is just deciding who governs on our side of it. People who live here or people who do not.

Now off with you to the drinks cabinet under the sink to drown your sorrows in bleach based disenfectant and ponder the knowledge that Great Britain will soon be a historical term, only used by embarrassing drunk old racists who still say things like Rhodesia, Bombay and Rangers.

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7 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

Now off with you to the drinks cabinet under the sink to drown your sorrows in bleach based disenfectant and ponder the knowledge that Great Britain will soon be a historical term, only used by embarrassing drunk old racists who still say things like Rhodesia, Bombay and Rangers.

 

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23 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

Partition is something very different, something very different

It isn't.  We're one nation as created in 1707 and if you slough off a part of it then it's partition.

Not that I'd expect you to understand this.

 

 

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29 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

So.... Would you be happy to see a United Ireland?

Of course!  The two parts belong together.  As Mary McAleese said at an Orange lodge in County Cavan, "It is possible to be both Irish and British, possible to be both Orange and Irish".

 

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1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said:

Wanting to partition our unitary nation-state and using the justification that Scotland is a hang-over of England's imperial past is extremism.  And ignorant extremism at that.

Do you mean wanting to further partition our nation state? The UK has already partitioned itself. If you’re against partition, you must wish Northern Ireland to be reunited with Ireland? If so, then you’re the one keen to break up the UK (in addition to being a racist, an Islamophobe, and an eager proponent of alt-right extremism, which we already knew about). 

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1 minute ago, CheeseBurger said:

If we're "one nation". Then why is this place called Scotland with it's own national flag? Wouldn't they have just done away with these names and flags?

That we are one nation is beyond dispute.  As it said in the AoU, "That the Two Kingdoms of Scotland and England shall upon the first day of May next ensuing the date hereof and forever after be United into One Kingdom by the Name of Great Britain."

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15 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Of course!  The two parts belong together.  As Mary McAleese said at an Orange lodge in County Cavan, "It is possible to be both Irish and British, possible to be both Orange and Irish".

 

So you want to further break up the UK? Bit odd to condemn others for wanting to further break up the UK.

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2 minutes ago, Antlion said:

Do you mean wanting to further partition our nation state? The UK has already partitioned itself. If you’re against partition, you must wish Northern Ireland to be reunited with Ireland? If so, then you’re the one keen to break up the UK (in addition to being a racist, an Islamophobe, and an eager proponent of alt-right extremism, which we already knew about). 

 

1 minute ago, Antlion said:

So you want to further break up the UK? Bit odd to condemn others for wanting to further break up the UK.

I haven't, of course, said that but then that has never stopped you making up shite.

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1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said:

I have many thousands of posts on here yet have said very little about Ireland though I do have a certain fondness for both the Orange Order and the Irish rugby team.  Both of which are, of course, whole-island organisations.

Thousands of pro-UK posts and “very little about Ireland” is par for the course for Little Britons, who cry in horror about the breaking up the UK whilst being emotionally unable to deal with the reality that the UK broke up decades ago. As for having a fondness for a loyalist organisation, that’s really no surprise given some of the extremist, far-right loons you’ve been caught championing in the past.

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4 minutes ago, CheeseBurger said:

You didn't answer my question. Why are we still called Scotland? Why is there still a place called England, Northern Ireland and Wales with their own national flags? Wouldn't there simply be one flag and one name if we were simply one nation?

A political union between kingdoms doesn't equate to a single nation state.

We ARE one nation.  I have no idea why you're even disputing this.  Having different regional flags, names and laws doesn't change that.

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55 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

So.... Would you be happy to see a United Ireland?

 

23 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Of course!  The two parts belong together.  As Mary McAleese said at an Orange lodge in County Cavan, "It is possible to be both Irish and British, possible to be both Orange and Irish".

 

 

7 minutes ago, Antlion said:

So you want to further break up the UK? Bit odd to condemn others for wanting to further break up the UK.

 

5 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

 

I haven't, of course, said that but then that has never stopped you making up shite.

Are you at the stage of forgetting what you’ve said minutes before, now? We know you’ve conveniently forgotten that you were caught sharing Tweets from alt-right extremists so objectionable that they were banned from Twitter - but this is a new low.

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3 minutes ago, Antlion said:

Are you at the stage of forgetting what you’ve said minutes before, now? We know you’ve conveniently forgotten that you were caught sharing Tweets from alt-right extremists so objectionable that they were banned from Twitter - but this is a new low.

What you've quoted is accurate.  

I never said one word about breaking up the UK so please stop making shite up.

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9 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

What you've quoted is accurate.  

I never said one word about breaking up the UK so please stop making shite up.

So when you were asked if you wanted to see Ireland reunited and you said “of course”, were you wilfully misunderstanding ICTJohnBoy’s post and actually being extremist enough to pretend you thought he meant united under UK rule?

Is that what you meant - that you genuinely want to see the island of Ireland united as it was under the Victorians and Edwardians? If so, you’ve surpassed even UKIP and Britain First (which either just ignore or treat Ireland with contempt), in wanting the Irish (against their will, as there is no appetite there for it) forced back into a political setup that left thousands dead in ghastly circumstances. But then, blood and soil British nationalism can stand a few more licks of blood, I suppose.

If this is what you meant, you’ve genuinely gone far beyond “disgusting bigot”. If it isn’t, perhaps you can explain the circumstances in which you want to see Ireland united but don’t want the UK to further break up…

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