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Is anyone really that interested in GERS outside of nerds and weirdo dog food salesmen ?
The Yes side really don't need to get bogged down and get on the defensive about it. The public absolutely do not want detailed explanations of why this part is good and this part isn't, or why this figure needs caveats.


I dont think many people will look in detail at it but it is easy for the no campaign to use the figures to say “scoatland cannae aford to no be part ae the union”. A lot of people will see that and take it as gospel

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2 minutes ago, Aufc said:

 


I dont think many people will look in detail at it but it is easy for the no campaign to use the figures to say “scoatland cannae aford to no be part ae the union”. A lot of people will see that and take it as gospel

They're always going to do this and unless you've got a plan to distribute the various London based imbalances in the economy all over the country (knocking the legs out from under the economic case for independence in the process) there's no point wasting time trying to 'fix' GERS. The attack line is very easily fought off with short and snappy lines, pick any of these:

  • Why?
  • Whose fault is that?
  • What have you, a unionist, done to campaign to fix this?
  • Are you saying Scots can't make a success of things?

etc.

 

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2 hours ago, TheScarf said:

Same.  An independent Scotland as a member of the EU using the Euro as our currency would be the ultimate GIRFUY to the racist, insular Tories.

I don't have a huge problem with the Euro but Scotland needs its own currency realistically as quickly as possible post indy.  Read Richard Murphy on this.  

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Utter minter for the unionist parties that when their main line of attack has been the SNP being too focussed on independence to do 'the day job', a majority now favour independence and the SNP are also significantly more trusted to govern competently than Labour or the Tories.

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New Poll

 

 Independence :

Yes 56% No 44%.

 

Holyrood (Constituency Vote) :

SNP 54%

Tory 22%

Labour 15%

Lib Dems 6%

Greens 1%

Others 2%

List vote :

SNP 45%

Tory 21%

Labour 16%

Greens 7%

Libs 6%

 

Edited by Kejan

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Why the fuck are people in Scotland voting Tory?  It should be the SNP miles ahead, then going by Scottish election history next should be Labour, with the Tories a very distant 3rd.

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Why the fuck are people in Scotland voting Tory?  It should be the SNP miles ahead, then going by Scottish election history next should be Labour, with the Tories a very distant 3rd.
Because lots of people are very, very opposed to the idea of an independent Scotland.

The prospect worries them, and the Conservative party have jumped at the chance to represent those concerns.

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2 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

Because lots of people are very, very opposed to the idea of an independent Scotland.

The prospect worries them, and the Conservative party have jumped at the chance to represent those concerns.
 

Utter cowards most of them.  

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15 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

Don't knows really getting thin on the ground these days huh

To a certain degree aye but if you look at the latest polling 25% who have a leaning towards Yes are saying they don't hold a definitive view on the matter. Yes side have a duty to appeal to these people (and more) as much as possible now. Hopefully we don't Hibs it, which some on 'our' side are more than capable of doing.

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Why the fuck are people in Scotland voting Tory?  It should be the SNP miles ahead, then going by Scottish election history next should be Labour, with the Tories a very distant 3rd.


The Tories actually offer something to a thankfully minority but still substantial section of the population. Labour’s programme (minus the unionism) has been cannibalised by the SNP and the Greens are far more convincing as leftists given they don’t regularly have bitter public squabbles over whether they should support the things they are typically and historically known for.

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1 hour ago, TheScarf said:

Why the f**k are people in Scotland voting Tory?  It should be the SNP miles ahead, then going by Scottish election history next should be Labour, with the Tories a very distant 3rd.

Because Rangers

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4 hours ago, TheScarf said:

Same.  An independent Scotland as a member of the EU using the Euro as our currency would be the ultimate GIRFUY to the racist, insular Tories.

Going to the Euro wouldn't bother me at all.  My first preference in an ideal world would be a new currency and probably pegging it to the pound or the Euro in the beginning.  The currency issue in 2014 was a mess - It wasn't a particularly bad idea but it was really poorly explained and anyone undecided with any doubts probably just thought "why bother?"

I can't understand though why the Euro is so taboo for an independent Scotland.  I've never had anyone from a Eurozone country tell me they don't like it - I've even had some tell me it's the best thing they ever did!

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13 minutes ago, Highland Capital said:

Going to the Euro wouldn't bother me at all.  My first preference in an ideal world would be a new currency and probably pegging it to the pound or the Euro in the beginning.  The currency issue in 2014 was a mess - It wasn't a particularly bad idea but it was really poorly explained and anyone undecided with any doubts probably just thought "why bother?"

I can't understand though why the Euro is so taboo for an independent Scotland.  I've never had anyone from a Eurozone country tell me they don't like it - I've even had some tell me it's the best thing they ever did!

Probably mostly it's down to the Greek experience. Say we have some economic shock that damages public finances and to compensate we want to export a fuckload of salmon or whisky or satellite technology, and increase resilience in our domestic industries by shielding them from import competition. With our own currency we can devalue it to make exports more attractive and imports less attractive. That was the main basis of the push from some people for a 'Grexit' (remember that?). They wanted to go back to the Drachma and do this kind of thing, instead they opted to stay in and take out big bailouts from the ECB, IMF etc. which came at the price of very intrusive external control over Greek society, driven by economists who thought austerity was a good idea. The eurozone's main purpose is price stability so as a member you'd not be able to take this kind of action, and instead have to hope that bond issues alone (or if you're in real trouble, bailouts and swingeing cuts to pensions, benefits, infrastructure spending etc.) would be enough to get through a crisis.

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I dont think many people will look in detail at it but it is easy for the no campaign to use the figures to say “scoatland cannae aford to no be part ae the union”. A lot of people will see that and take it as gospel
Because the electorate on the whole are economic illiterates.

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14 hours ago, TheScarf said:

Same.  An independent Scotland as a member of the EU using the Euro as our currency would be the ultimate GIRFUY to the racist, insular Tories.

 

Totally agree.

Decent article here :

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/oct/13/scotland-new-currency-independence-sterling-euro

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Alister Jack there on Radio Scotland dismissing a second indy reference as causing more economic uncertainty after the damage caused by the pandemic right after talking about the Govt trying to sort out a last minute Brexit deal.

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Why the fuck are people in Scotland voting Tory?  It should be the SNP miles ahead, then going by Scottish election history next should be Labour, with the Tories a very distant 3rd.


Because wee Jimmy krankie and SNP bad

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Everything derives from My team: Rangers.  You can always work back to it.   

Why are you calling her Jimmy Krankie ?   Fucking hate the wee boot.   

Why do you hate her?   Coz she stands against everything that I believe in.  

What's that?   The Queen, Marching with the band, splitting the union.  We fought in the war together etc.  

Ah, so you're pro-monarch, British nationalist that supports an organisation that supports protestantism and celebrates 1690.  

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Guy I went to school with (hated the c**t), anyway has as his Facebook profile a picture of him and his very young daughter on an orange walk. You know when she grows up she will hate him too. Utter c**t of a man

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On 02/12/2020 at 11:29, Aufc said:

 


I dont think many people will look in detail at it but it is easy for the no campaign to use the figures to say “scoatland cannae aford to no be part ae the union”. A lot of people will see that and take it as gospel

 

On a thread of daft posts and even dafter posters yours is about the worst yet - and that takes some doing.  And you from Airdrie, too.

The true truth behind the GERS figures is that Jockland is being featherbedded to the tune of 4,000 GBP per taxpayer per annum and, of course, this is entirety sustainable post-independence just as long as you daft wee tartan gonks are willing to dig deep into your wallets.

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