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2 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Given that there hadn't been a chance for the previous generation it can be interpreted either way or both. But as it isn't a legal commitment or promise I don't know why you think it's relevant. It's just a comment that it's an opportunity that shouldn't be missed as there might not be another.

That's twice you have replied to me and both times you have referred to their not being another.  Forward looking, it makes absolutely no sense in the context of asking if there will be a future vote to use the term once in a generation to refer historically.  Anyone that thinks this is the case is a fruit loop.  

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Just now, welshbairn said:

Given that there hadn't been a chance for the previous generation it can be interpreted either way or both. But as it isn't a legal commitment or promise I don't know why you think it's relevant.

That's the key point....it was not a legal commitment......

 

1 minute ago, strichener said:

That's twice you have replied to me and both times you have referred to their not being another.  Forward looking, it makes absolutely no sense in the context of asking if there will be a future vote to use the term once in a generation to refer historically.  Anyone that thinks this is the case is a fruit loop.  

the other point worth considering is the emphasis on it being the view of the "current administration" 

That may well have been a deliberate addition at the time, in anticipation of exactly these circumstances. It is pretty well accepted protocol in any democracy that no  government has the right to tie the hands of its successors on such matters. This case is no different.

The whole unionist position is based on nonsense. It's using a play on words to deny democracy.

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2 hours ago, Baxter Parp said:

UK welfare cuts blamed for Scots life expectancy gap

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18858477.uk-welfare-cuts-blamed-scots-life-expectancy-gap/

Benefits of the union.

Aye, but there's a couple of SNP politicians folk don't like so better not vote for independence. Much rather have awful shite like this instead.

29 minutes ago, strichener said:

Rubbish.  It was used in the white paper specifically in response to the question of whether there would be another vote.

 

In your quote was this line:

It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity

Since we're playing semantics, it is no longer that same Scottish Government. Ergo, it can be binned as the nonsense it is and idiots can stop desperately trying to attach any sort of relevancy to it since it has precisely none.

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8 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

The White Paper was a plan, not a view. Got to love the way you're willing to twist yourself into pretzel shapes to argue your bullshit.

And yet you previously posted 

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The White Paper sets out the SNP's vision of an independent Scotland, not the Lib Dems or Labour and so on. The SNP can't speak for any other party, obviously.

Can something be a vision without being a view?  I don't think it is me that is performing mental gymnastics over this.

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2 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

Aye, but there's a couple of SNP politicians folk don't like so better not vote for independence. Much rather have awful shite like this instead.

In your quote was this line:

It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity

Since we're playing semantics, it is no longer that same Scottish Government. Ergo, it can be binned as the nonsense it is and idiots can stop desperately trying to attach any sort of relevancy to it since it has precisely none.

I completely agree with you.  However let's not deny the context or meaning of the various statement using the phrase.  Nicola herself used it as I have previously quoted.  

I don't have a problem in arguing for another referendum in the next parliament.  I don't have to deny history to do so.

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Just now, strichener said:

Can something be a vision without being a view?  I don't think it is me that is performing mental gymnastics over this.

Pretending a view about the referendum is the same as the intended plan after it is about as dishonest as usual. Well done.

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Just now, Baxter Parp said:

Pretending a view about the referendum is the same as the intended plan after it is about as dishonest as usual. Well done.

Your word, not mine

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2 minutes ago, Andrew Driver said:

You've provided no such thing.   Perhaps you can post up the video of Alex being interviewed by Andrew Neil which is the origin on the "once in a generation" and clearly you will see him talking backwards to 1979 and 1997.   That's my last post because I'm cooking some pasta and it's starting to rise and boil.  

I have already provided a link to our current FM using the phrase in her conference speech.

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Just now, strichener said:

Your word, not mine

Either way, there was no vow, promise or policy that the referendum would not be repeated within any timescale.

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Strichener is right - but as has been pointed out, it has absolutely no relevance now - and certainly not after May, when we'll be into the second Scottish Government since 2016.

 

 

 

 

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If the 'current' government of the time expressed a view that the vote was a once in a generation commitment and subsequent elected governments renege on that promise and win a governing majority then who gives a shit

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4 hours ago, SandyCromarty said:

Freedom is the answer.

Freedom to govern ourselves without the westminster input and an undemocratic unelected HOL telling us what can or cannot do.

A freedom tied to unelected, unaccountable EU quangocrats, very good. Holyrood has had ample tools to do the job in Scotland and failed miserably. 

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Think the SNP should tackle this 'once in a generation' thing head on if that's the way unionists still want to play it.

Because the SNP can begin to use the language of 'a generation' in their arguments too – the threat of a 'lost generation'. Thousands now who've left university with no job to go to thanks to a Brexit they were too young to vote against, and whose careers and hopes have been damaged by the effects of an independence referendum they were too young to vote for. 

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10 hours ago, Glen Sannox said:

A freedom tied to unelected, unaccountable EU quangocrats, very good. Holyrood has had ample tools to do the job in Scotland and failed miserably. 

From my point of view, and from probably many others on here, the EU was good for Scotland if only for the fact that under EU rules westminster and the despised tory grandees could NOT steamroll major shite social policies onto the Scottish people without EU approval.

Now that is gone with Brexit just watch these fuckin tories go to town next year.

If say you were in business for instance would you prefer to be tied to one customer with a population of 60 Million or have total unrestricted access to 27 countries with a population of 450 Million.

So I ask you as the hypothetical business fella and as a unionist present me with a totally valid and balanced argument as to why you would not prefer to trade unrestrictedly with that huge EU market but remain trading with the smaller market, england, and be at their beck and call?

 

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I see strichener has been active over the last few pages, I've got him on ignore so don't know what he's on about now, but it is interesting to note that Strichen is only a few miles from two major Scottish fishing ports, Fraserburgh and Peterhead, and it looks like the tories with their brexit negotiations are selling the hard working fishermen out on protecting British fishing waters, this was a major brexit political selling point in that disgraceful referendum which swayed a lot of people to vote yes throughout the UK.

It's the old old story never trust a tory unless you are the landed gentry or a multi millionaire, otherwise you get shit on.

Jimmy Buchan you should have listened to Richard Lochhead and the SNP Gov all those years ago.

You were always going to be sold down the river, (pardon the pun Jimmy). 

Roll on Independence away from these pariahs. 

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1 hour ago, SandyCromarty said:

I see strichener has been active over the last few pages, I've got him on ignore so don't know what he's on about now, but it is interesting to note that Strichen is only a few miles from two major Scottish fishing ports, Fraserburgh and Peterhead, and it looks like the tories with their brexit negotiations are selling the hard working fishermen out on protecting British fishing waters, this was a major brexit political selling point in that disgraceful referendum which swayed a lot of people to vote yes throughout the UK.

It's the old old story never trust a tory unless you are the landed gentry or a multi millionaire, otherwise you get shit on.

Jimmy Buchan you should have listened to Richard Lochhead and the SNP Gov all those years ago.

You were always going to be sold down the river, (pardon the pun Jimmy). 

Roll on Independence away from these pariahs. 

The fishermen were never going to get what they want anyway it has been obvious from day one that EU boats are going to be allowed to fish in UK waters;

Ignoring the boats that bought UK licenses from UK boats, they want no EU boats in UK waters to allow UK boats to catch more fish.  Somehow they expect to defy the very basic principle of supply and demand and the price for the fish not falling when they catch more fish.

No EU boats in UK waters, no trade deal and tariffs added to fish where the majority caught is exported to the EU.  Price for the fish falls further, and if it can't be sold price falls even further.

If anything quotas on fishing have been artificially inflating the price for years by restricting the number of fish allowed to be caught, but the fishermen have been too blinded to actually see that.

 

 

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