Boo Khaki Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Classic 'eat yer cereal' yoonery Hilarious how they continually attempt to imply that the majority in favour of independence are 'divisive', yet somehow the minority view is not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 2 hours ago, btb said: I agree, there's never gonna be a "good time" to leave, even today "they" are saying now is not the right time... Sturgeon was saying "now is not the right time" when she said there wouldn't be a referendum in 2020. Sarwar is really just parroting Sturgeon, for slightly different reasons of course. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, sparky88 said: Sturgeon was saying "now is not the right time" when she said there wouldn't be a referendum in 2020. Sarwar is really just parroting Sturgeon, for slightly different reasons of course. Oops. The Scottish government wants to hold a new referendum in the second half of 2020, pointing to Brexit as a "material change in circumstances". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-51284836 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 42 minutes ago, sparky88 said: Sturgeon was saying "now is not the right time" when she said there wouldn't be a referendum in 2020. Sarwar is really just parroting Sturgeon, for slightly different reasons of course. Yeah, but presumably Sturgeon has a date set in mind, whereas for Sarwar & Nash it's part of a "no referendum ever" strategy - they will always find a reason why now is not the right time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Baxter Parp said: Oops. The Scottish government wants to hold a new referendum in the second half of 2020, pointing to Brexit as a "material change in circumstances". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-51284836 When is it, I must have missed the campaign? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, sparky88 said: When is it, I must have missed the campaign? I think what you've missed is the global fucking pandemic. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 47 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: Waaaaaaay more weather-sure too. It doesn't matter though. Even in an independent Scotland the vast majority of retailers are going to be UK chains who will stick with the cost efficient routes they use at the moment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 It's over lads. The Astra Zeneca / Oxford vaccine s going to have union flags on it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: Is this currently true of Ireland too or is it more varied? It's two short ferries from Ireland anyway (which is obviously still cheaper than one long one). A Scottish route from the continent would no doubt result in higher costs. Lorries on ferries are expensive, lorries on roads are cheap. Edited November 28, 2020 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Sannox Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Snafu said: Mind that, first thing a Tory government did when getting into power was to take milk away from Primary school kids. https://inews.co.uk/news/scotland/snp-pledges-year-round-free-breakfasts-lunches-primary-school-children-776177?ITO=newsnow SNP pledges year-round free breakfasts and lunches for all primary school children The policy would be implemented from August 2022, making Scotland the first nation in the UK to offer universal free primary school meals That’s a fantastic idea, but then I thought the “named person” policy was a great idea. Hopefully they can get this one to stick! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 57 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: I know I just wondered if you knew the rough divisions, no worries will find out myself. My ire was inspired by the guys (obviously) in the comments seriously planning trade routes to the continent from Dublin via Stranraer and Rosyth rather than you btw. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 5 hours ago, Baxter Parp said: I think what you've missed is the global fucking pandemic. Funnily enough that's exactly the same argument Nash and Sarwar used as a reason for not having a referendum. And it also holds no water when you consider plenty of western democracies have held elections since the pandemic started - off the top of my head, New Zealand, USA and South Korea have all held elections. As Joanna Cherry says, 'If not now, when?' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 9 hours ago, sparky88 said: Funnily enough that's exactly the same argument Nash and Sarwar used as a reason for not having a referendum. I haven't read what either of them said but I suspect it isn't quite that – they'll say we shouldn't have a referendum while we're recovering from the pandemic never mind during it. Nor should we have one until well after Brexit either. Such an argument, they feel, plays better with the public than saying 'no' to a referendum. The aim is the same of course: but by putting some distance between those two disasters – one instigated by Westminster, the other mismanaged by it – they hope we forget about them and their impact. In the case of Brexit, they can sell the option of a UK-wide pro-Europe option in future elections or they'll find a way to refine the narrative of the pandemic being ended because of the UK's shared resources The No side are transparent at least, with a limited playbook (also includes getting a third option on the ballot and the usual siren call of nationalism=racism, which will be led by Cole-Hamilton) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Funnily enough that's exactly the same argument Nash and Sarwar used as a reason for not having a referendum. And it also holds no water when you consider plenty of western democracies have held elections since the pandemic started - off the top of my head, New Zealand, USA and South Korea have all held elections. As Joanna Cherry says, 'If not now, when?'f**k off, the idea we should hold and campaign for an unscheduled referendum in the middle of a global pandemic is very fucking different from holding a scheduled election. I mean, you mention the US where Trump campaigned as if he deliberately wanted to infect his entire voter base and thousands are dying every day and NZ where they barely have any cases at all. Just how dishonest is that?I couldn't trust anyone who doesn't see that suspending the push for a referendum at the start of the year was exactly the right thing to do in the face of hundreds of people dying every week. We'll get a referendum next year after a mass vaccination in the spring. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/senior-labour-adviser-comes-out-in-favour-of-scottish-independence-t0vcp0gv6Senior Labour adviser comes out in favour of Scottish independence 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Bralt 2 still trudging along I see. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 15 hours ago, sparky88 said: Funnily enough that's exactly the same argument Nash and Sarwar used as a reason for not having a referendum. And it also holds no water when you consider plenty of western democracies have held elections since the pandemic started - off the top of my head, New Zealand, USA and South Korea have all held elections. As Joanna Cherry says, 'If not now, when?' Cherry is an arsehole whose whole agenda is driven by personal ambition. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 That's former adviser. Why is this news, its like some random on this forum changing their mind and someone else starting a thread about it?You clearly don't know who Duncan Maclennan is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 17 minutes ago, Snafu said: That's former adviser. Why is this news, its like some random on this forum changing their mind and someone else starting a thread about it? Only a random on this forum would make a comparison like that. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
German Jag Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 1 hour ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: You clearly don't know who Duncan Maclennan is. I do, he's my cousin. Good to eventually see him move over to the good side! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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