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11 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Going with the Euro means being signed up to the Stability and Growth pact which means constant austerity.

What do you think Westminster plans when the virus is over and we're gone from the EU?

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Just now, welshbairn said:

What do you think Westminster plans when the virus is gone?

The options just now are Boris's UK austerity, Keir's UK austerity, Nicola's Growth Commission austerity or Christine Lagarde's ECB austerity.

Not great.

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14 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Going with the Euro means being signed up to the Stability and Growth pact which means constant austerity.

Of course, an independent Scottish currency, pegged to the Euro doesn’t require that.

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Uk debt is the same as borrowing 1 million per day since the pyramids were built.

Heard that quote at the weekend.

They also said it wasn't anything to worry about. Somehow.

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26 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:

Uk debt is the same as borrowing 1 million per day since the pyramids were built.

Heard that quote at the weekend.

They also said it wasn't anything to worry about. Somehow.

it isn't. 

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23 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

it isn't. 

If interest rates remain near zero for evermore.

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1 hour ago, Wee Bully said:

Of course, an independent Scottish currency, pegged to the Euro doesn’t require that.

Pegging it to the Euro comes at a cost though and leaves us vulnerable to Soros style speculators.

Free floating currencies are the only way to go. 

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Pegging it to the Euro comes at a cost though and leaves us vulnerable to Soros style speculators.

Free floating currencies are the only way to go. 

I’m fascinated by this.  How does that work?

 

And has no one learnt any lessons since 1992?

 

Please be specific about similar issues for pegged currencies since Black Wednesday.

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I understand why folk have concerns about Scotland using a new currency, Sterling, or the Euro, but anybody who feels any emotion toward pieces of paper guaranteed by financial institutions needs to give themselves a good shake. If it wouldn't affect us economically, why give a toss if we used the Vietnamese Dong. Actually, handing over some Dongs for the shopping sounds braw; let's do that.

Also, the independence issue seems a great method for absolute nonentities to generate attention and money that they'd never have had a sniff of otherwise. Worth thinking about, if anyone's contemplating a career change.

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On 22/08/2020 at 15:12, NotThePars said:

What really bugs me is that the dominant critics of the SNP's path to independence are uniformly zoomers many of which appear to disagree with Sturgeon on egotistical rather than ideological or strategic grounds.

This is the most frustrating point for me. I could see myself getting behind a leftier, more assertive internal opposition if they weren't all such insufferable blowhards. So you're left with the option of throwing your lot in with the nutters or finding yourself de facto allied with the party's right wingers like Andrew Wilson, Stewart McDonald et al. A shite state of affairs and no mistake. 

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This is the most frustrating point for me. I could see myself getting behind a leftier, more assertive internal opposition if they weren't all such insufferable blowhards. So you're left with the option of throwing your lot in with the nutters or finding yourself de facto allied with the party's right wingers like Andrew Wilson, Stewart McDonald et al. A shite state of affairs and no mistake. 


Yup. Given independence is pretty much an inevitability at this point it would be good if some non-compromised lefty figures in the party stood up and made a name for themselves because the post-indy settlement will be largely settled from within the SNP.

You never know though we might end up with a Bolshevik insurgency led by the Stirling brocialists and Mhairi Black with Ross Greer, Andy Wightman and Patrick Harvie making up the left opposition.

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I will be campaigning on the single issue of giving Andy Wightman a sword post independence.

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34 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

I will be campaigning on the single issue of giving Andy Wightman a sword post independence.

Wightman should get to write the constitution of an independent Scotland by himself, then become President for life whether he wants it or not.

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I will be campaigning on the single issue of giving Andy Wightman a sword post independence.


Control of Trident wielding bipedal tanks, a naval flotilla and an armed guard. Nothing less.

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11 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

 


Control of Trident wielding bipedal tanks, a naval flotilla and an armed guard. Nothing less.

 

metal gear 90s GIF

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