BawWatchin Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Colkitto said: As soon as an official approach is made by the Scottish Gov and is knocked back in an official capacity then Scotland no longer is an equal partner in this Union and we become a colony of England. Are our fellow Scots going to embarrass us even further from when they voted no in indyref1 and accept that we are indeed a colony of England? The UK is not a unitary State. It's a multi-Nation State and no one country within that political Union has the right to determine the future of any of the other Nations. That message needs to be made clearer so the people of Scotland and elsewhere understand Scotland IS a colony of England. Sadly, we're so colonized, that the majority are content with rolling over and getting their bellies tickled. They can't make something official that already has been for centuries. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 Just now, BawWatchin said: Scotland IS a colony of England. Sadly, we're so colonized, that the majority are content with rolling over and getting their bellies tickled. They can't make something official that already has been for centuries. You're right, but this will confirm beyond any doubt. The will of the Scottish people and parliament will be ignored and refused for no other reason than the Westminster government doesn't agree with it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 minute ago, BawWatchin said: Scotland IS a colony of England. Sadly, we're so colonized, that the majority are content with rolling over and getting their bellies tickled. They can't make something official that already has been for centuries. What a load of tripe. Scotland and England joined together as a union 312 years ago, The reason England has the majority of input to the parliament is because it haste vast majority of the people. It's the same reason why Catalonia only has a marginal say in Spanish politics or Rhode Island only have a few votes in the US electoral college. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford prefect Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 What a load of tripe. Scotland and England joined together as a union 312 years ago, The reason England has the majority of input to the parliament is because it haste vast majority of the people. It's the same reason why Catalonia only has a marginal say in Spanish politics or Rhode Island only have a few votes in the US electoral college. So you'd agree that we can only do what we actually want to do if we leave? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Colkitto said: You're right, but this will confirm beyond any doubt. The will of the Scottish people and parliament will be ignored and refused for no other reason than the Westminster government doesn't agree with it. There is no doubt about it. Those who back the UK already know this to be the case and relish it. The UK Government could snatch away the Scottish Parliament tomorrow and we still wouldn't gain enough support for independence. That's how sick this country has become. 1 minute ago, Donathan said: What a load of tripe. Scotland and England joined together as a union 312 years ago, The reason England has the majority of input to the parliament is because it haste vast majority of the people. It's the same reason why Catalonia only has a marginal say in Spanish politics or Rhode Island only have a few votes in the US electoral college. Scotland didn't "join". It was forced into political "unity" with England by highly bribed commissioners who traded Scotlands sovereignty for wealth, power and estates. There was nothing appealing about the Act of Union from Scotlands perspective. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, ford prefect said: 10 minutes ago, Donathan said: What a load of tripe. Scotland and England joined together as a union 312 years ago, The reason England has the majority of input to the parliament is because it haste vast majority of the people. It's the same reason why Catalonia only has a marginal say in Spanish politics or Rhode Island only have a few votes in the US electoral college. So you'd agree that we can only do what we actually want to do if we leave? Yes, in the same way that Cumbernauld can only have full control over its affairs if it secede's from Scotland and becomes an independent country. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 You do know of the motion Keith Brown and Derek Mackay are putting forward at the next conference, right?Don't give him a bite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 *lumps entire bank account on another indyref before 2021*Just not Northern Rock shares . . . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Donathan said: Yes, in the same way that Cumbernauld can only have full control over its affairs if it secede's from Scotland and becomes an independent country. Indeed, but Cumbernauld isn't a country and would be internationally recognized as an enclave. That wouldn't be the case for Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blootoon87 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 As soon as an official approach is made by the Scottish Gov for a Section 30 orderand is knocked back in an official capacity then Scotland no longer is an equal partner in this Union and we become a colony of England. Are our fellow Scots going to embarrass us even further from when they voted no in indyref1 and accept that we are indeed a colony of England? The UK is not a unitary State. It's a multi-Nation State and no one country within that political Union has the right to determine the future of any of the other Nations. That message needs to be made clearer so the people of Scotland and elsewhere understandYes. Yes they will. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 I'm not predicting blood on the streets, absolutely not, but refusing a second Independence Referendum will harden attitudes and in the long run only strengthen the argument for Scotland leaving the UK. I'm one of those Nats of the opinion that Brexit is a significant change to the security that "Better Together" promised us in 2014 and despite the wilful misinterpretation of Alex Salmond "once in a generation" comments we're entitled to another IndyRef if that's what the Scottish Parliament wants. If the Yoons were confident they would win there wouldn't be any fuss! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 A lot of FB comments I read seem to be about 1707 and going back to the "kilty times" ala Burnistoun and literally fighting for Indy. Meanwhile back in the real world it's further away than 2014 and Nicola knows it. The wee fissure between the pragmatists and the face painters is creaking a bit wider these days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremiah Cole Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 22 hours ago, Baxter Parp said: Pensions across the world rated by percentage of the average wage: But an independent Scotland wouldn't be able to afford one, obviously. Not a like for like comparison as systems in Holland, Denmark and Italy for example, include what, viewed in the UK, would private pensions. State funded pensions across the world are a ticking time bomb that will cause serious economic problems to future generations in the years to come. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Loondave1 said: A lot of FB comments I read seem to be about 1707 and going back to the "kilty times" ala Burnistoun and literally fighting for Indy. Meanwhile back in the real world it's further away than 2014 and Nicola knows it. The wee fissure between the pragmatists and the face painters is creaking a bit wider these days. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 A lot of FB comments I read seem to be about 1707 and going back to the "kilty times" ala Burnistoun and literally fighting for Indy. Meanwhile back in the real world it's further away than 2014 and Nicola knows it. The wee fissure between the pragmatists and the face painters is creaking a bit wider these days.Are you the guy with the dog pictures? Or are you the other guy?If its the latter, can I suggest dog pictures in future, because that post is fucking shite. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 A lot of FB comments I read seem to be about 1707 and going back to the "kilty times" ala Burnistoun and literally fighting for Indy. Meanwhile back in the real world it's further away than 2014 and Nicola knows it. The wee fissure between the pragmatists and the face painters is creaking a bit wider these days.We should all know by now that what one happens to be seeing a lot of on Facebook reveals more about ones own behaviour on Facebook than any underlying trends. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremiah Cole Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, BawWatchin said: Scotland didn't "join". It was forced into political "unity" with England by highly bribed commissioners who traded Scotlands sovereignty for wealth, power and estates. There was nothing appealing about the Act of Union from Scotlands perspective. Ironically, this happened as a result of Scotland's failed attempt to colonise another part of the world. Union with England allowed us to realise our ambition and colonise and brutalise a quarter of the globe. Edited March 7, 2019 by Jeremiah Cole -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 I reckon TM is baiting NS to request the referendum and she will allow it. NS knows this and wont request it as she knows it would be No again and she will have to resign. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 I reckon TM is baiting NS to request the referendum and she will allow it. NS knows this and wont request it as she knows it would be No again and she will have to resign.Why are you so sure that with a campaign to come, experience of the last one, the clusterfuck of Brexit, and the fact that the Tories have blown a lot of their pro Union arguements out in their pursuit of a Hard Brexit that the referendum would return a no vote?What are the reasons why a 55/45 is insurnountable? Because all I can see is that the number of Yes voters will have increased and the only question is will it be by enough. Why wont it be enough? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Ironically, this happened as a result of Scotland's failed attempt to colonise another part of the world. Union with England allowed us to realise our ambition and colonise and brutalise a quarter of the globe.The more underlying issue was that Scots were foreign enough to be denied access to English controlled markets but as subjects of the English crown they were denied access to French and Spanish controlled territory. Darien was a roll of the dice to try and solve this.If Brexit is the straw that breaks the union’s back then there will be a further irony as it was England restricting access to external markets that created it in the first place 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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