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  1. 1. When will indyref 2 take place?



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7 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:
13 minutes ago, Adamski said:
I agree with this. I think that separate production/commentators/pundits etc around the games would go a long way to defusing things.

Why, like it or not we are British... We fucking voted for it. The BBC caters for the far superior population in the UK ie the English. Only way this will ever change is through devolved media(never happen) or independence. Suck it up I'm afraid.....

I didn't vote for it and I'm NOT British.

Using the same argument, everyone in the UK is a tory because they had a majority in the UK election or everyone in Scotland is a Nationalist as they had the majority in Scotland.

Sorry, but that's just nonsense.

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I didn't vote for it and I'm NOT British.
Using the same argument, everyone in the UK is a tory because they had a majority in the UK election or everyone in Scotland is a Nationalist as they had the majority in Scotland.
Sorry, but that's just nonsense.
Unfortunately Scotland is part of UK, rest of my statement stands. It's very unfortunate

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1 minute ago, John Lambies Doos said:
12 minutes ago, WATTOO said:
I didn't vote for it and I'm NOT British.
Using the same argument, everyone in the UK is a tory because they had a majority in the UK election or everyone in Scotland is a Nationalist as they had the majority in Scotland.
Sorry, but that's just nonsense.

Unfortunately Scotland is part of UK, rest of my statement stands. It's very unfortunate

Nope, it's still unadulterated nonsense so far as I'm concerned............

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I'm in the Yes voting camp and couldn't give two shits if they won.

Tbh The media reaction would be unbearable but knowing the joy a world cup win would give my English friends would make it slightly less unbearable.

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Apparently big ben will be re-painted with st george cross flags around the clock face, but Scottish nationalism is bad.
It ain't coming home mate

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Thank [email protected] They are oot. We can now relax and enjoy the rest of the fitba and get the politics forum back on track.
When is sturgeon calling it?
Next time England reach a WCup semi probably.

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Survation poll

Yes 47% No 53%

3% margin of error with sample of 1002 people.

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33 minutes ago, SweeperDee said:

Survation poll

Yes 47% No 53%

3% margin of error with sample of 1002 people.
 

Basically static. The only thing that is going to move this either way is an actual campaign.

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Basically static. The only thing that is going to move this either way is an actual campaign.


DK’s and 16-17 y/o not included so I reckon it could actually be even closer.

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Just now, SweeperDee said:

 


DK’s and 16-17 y/o not included so I reckon it could actually be even closer.

 

16-17s might be worth a point, but that's it. It's no shame, and the resilience of the Yes vote is a great base, but we will not move those polls without a campaign now, and voices who would counsel waiting until the polls swing decisively our way are going to be waiting a very long time.

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Thank [email protected] They are oot. We can now relax and enjoy the rest of the fitba and get the politics forum back on track.
When is sturgeon calling it?


We’d have had a UDI if England had went through and beat France on Sunday.

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16 minutes ago, renton said:

16-17s might be worth a point, but that's it. It's no shame, and the resilience of the Yes vote is a great base, but we will not move those polls without a campaign now, and voices who would counsel waiting until the polls swing decisively our way are going to be waiting a very long time.

It's time to start talking about independence in earnest. I know we have had a Growth Report and the SNP are organizing National Assemblies over the Summer, but it still seems a slow build up to indyref2.

After the Summer recess of both Holyrood and Westminster are over we really should be pushing for independence and start showing the public why we desperately need to go on our own as an independent country in the EU. 

As you say, only a campaign is going to start shifting those numbers now   

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I hhaven't noted a change of opinion yet amongst the No voters I know, however I have noted a huge softening in the opposition to a second indyref. There is no doubt the playing out of Brexit is key here.

A hard brexit or a coup of the Tory Govt by Rees-Mogg/ Johnson/ Gove etc and Sturgeon should call a Ref at short notice and Yes would win at a canter.

A soft Brexit deal and/ or a Corbyn Govt and I doubt she'll go for it.

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3 hours ago, Double Jack D said:

I hhaven't noted a change of opinion yet amongst the No voters I know, however I have noted a huge softening in the opposition to a second indyref. There is no doubt the playing out of Brexit is key here.

A hard brexit or a coup of the Tory Govt by Rees-Mogg/ Johnson/ Gove etc and Sturgeon should call a Ref at short notice and Yes would win at a canter.

A soft Brexit deal and/ or a Corbyn Govt and I doubt she'll go for it.

Double Jack D's pals - the real barometer of public opinion.

Loads of situations have been cited as turning points for yes being able to win. the only thing that will persuade Sturgeon to call a referendum is a consistent Yes lead in the polls. She will only even mention a referendum taking place after one poll in favour of Yes. 

I suppose if it gets to the end of the Scottish Parliament term and polls are within the margin of error she might call one, knowing that there might not be a majority for independence in the next parliament.

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18 hours ago, sparky88 said:

Double Jack D's pals - the real barometer of public opinion.

Loads of situations have been cited as turning points for yes being able to win. the only thing that will persuade Sturgeon to call a referendum is a consistent Yes lead in the polls. She will only even mention a referendum taking place after one poll in favour of Yes. 

I suppose if it gets to the end of the Scottish Parliament term and polls are within the margin of error she might call one, knowing that there might not be a majority for independence in the next parliament.

I can only form my opinion on who I speak to chap. Not claiming it a barometer of public opinion, only offering my own.

I agree with you regarding the timing coinciding with Yes polling. Confirmation of a hard brexit or a change in PM to Gove/ Johnson / Rees-Mogg would see an overnight leap in the polling for a Yes vote and hence the immediate calling of indyref2. 

Given you'd have to be a complete fruitloop to vote No in either scenario I'd be hugely confident of a Yes win.

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