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11 minutes ago, Jedi said:

Potential increase in support for Alba from Yes voters? (on the list ballot for Holyrood that is)

https://www.albaparty.org/breakthrough_poll_would_result_in_alba_party_winning_over_20_seats

They're wildly exaggerating the results. The question wasn't "Will you vote Alba?", it was "Would you vote Alba if you thought it would do any good?"

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The party's claim is based on a poll conducted by Panelbase, which asked: “Would you vote for the pro-independence Alba Party with your Scottish Parliament Regional List Vote if you thought it would help elect a higher amount of pro-independence MSPs to the Scottish Parliament?”

In response, 34% of those that backed the SNP in the 2021 Scottish Parliament constituency vote said they would vote for Alba with their regional list ballot in order to return a greater number of pro-independence MSPs.

Meanwhile, 37% of those that would vote Yes in a future independence referendum said they would also vote for Alba on the list to help return a larger pro-independence majority of MSPs.

Overall, 19% of those surveyed said they would back Alba on the regional list.

Alba say that the results show they have broken through into the political mainstream and that “a substantial amount of the electorate” now see the party “as the accepted means to progress the case for Scottish independence as a more immediate priority”.

However, polling expert professor John Curtice stressed that Alba need to pick up votes from people who would not vote SNP or Green if their intervention is to increase the tally of pro-indy MSPs.

He added: “Of those in the sample with a Holyrood list vote intention, two-thirds are currently SNP and Green supporters. Only one in five are currently supporters of one of the three main Unionist parties.”

According to Curtice, the net gain of the poll would correlate to a 4% swing in favour of pro-indy parties and that “you usually need 5-6% of the list vote to pick up a seat”.

He continued: “So if (and that's a big if) people were to believe voting Alba might help increase the number of pro-indy MSPs it might just help take them over the line. But even then, it is impossible to know in advance which party might fail to pick up a list seat in a region as a result - that is a bit of a lottery.”

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23209726.alba-set-secure-holyrood-seats-panelbase-poll-suggests/

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15 minutes ago, Jedi said:

Potential increase in support for Alba from Yes voters? (on the list ballot for Holyrood that is)

https://www.albaparty.org/breakthrough_poll_would_result_in_alba_party_winning_over_20_seats

Considering their support's been unmeasurably low until now, this reeks of UKIP's insistence that they were about to make a major breakthrough in Scotland, with David Coburn claiming he's won Falkirk in 2015. He lost his deposit with 3% of the vote.

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16 minutes ago, Jedi said:

Top doctor says 'no way the Scottish NHS can survive', with calls for 'the Scottish government to take action having fallen on deaf ears'. Indeed NHS may be 'dead already'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64101348

All Westminster's fault, and can only be sorted out by Independence though.

SNP BAAAADD! 

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10 minutes ago, Jedi said:

Top doctor says 'no way the Scottish NHS can survive', with calls for 'the Scottish government to take action having fallen on deaf ears'. Indeed NHS may be 'dead already'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64101348

All Westminster's fault, and can only be sorted out by Independence though.

Your assertion, although shared in jest, is not without merit.

The money available to the SNHS is based upon Barnet and in the context of the present political settlement, it is very difficult to sell additional and higher taxes to save it from the fate that the last fifteen years of Westminster austerity has delivered.

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I would like to know what the critics of the SG’s handling of the NHS in Scotland see as the solution.

They certainly have the right to criticise but I’d be interested to know how they think additional funds could be raised.

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26 minutes ago, Jedi said:

Top doctor says 'no way the Scottish NHS can survive', with calls for 'the Scottish government to take action having fallen on deaf ears'. Indeed NHS may be 'dead already'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64101348

All Westminster's fault, and can only be sorted out by Independence though.

However, under Labour control in Wales, everything is rosy and medical staff are happy.

Oh, wait a minute... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-64062631

"Almost two-thirds of hospital doctors surveyed by the British Medical Association (BMA) Cymru said they would be willing to take some form of industrial action."

"A previous survey undertaken by the BMA in August found that 52% of members who responded were more likely to leave the Welsh NHS as a result of the below inflation pay rise.

Dr Iona Collins said: "Doctors have been quietly quitting the NHS for years, by reducing their contracted hours or leaving altogether. The financial incentive to remain in the NHS has eroded over the last decade."

Dr Iona Collins is Dr Iain Kennedy's equivalent in Wales. 

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22 minutes ago, Jedi said:

Top doctor says 'no way the Scottish NHS can survive', with calls for 'the Scottish government to take action having fallen on deaf ears'. Indeed NHS may be 'dead already'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64101348

All Westminster's fault, and can only be sorted out by Independence though.

Your assertion, although shared in jest, is not without merit.

The money available to the SNHS is based upon Barnet and in the context of the present political settlement, it is very difficult to sell additional and higher taxes to save it from the fate that the last fifteen years of Westminster austerity has delivered.

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26 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

I would like to know what the critics of the SG’s handling of the NHS in Scotland see as the solution.

They certainly have the right to criticise but I’d be interested to know how they think additional funds could be raised.

You actually make a decent point.

We have to accept that all political parties have failed miserably.

Time to take politics out of it (if that is possible) to try to find the solution.

There must be a better way as most other Western countries have better outcomes than we have and it is outcomes that count.

We really  do need some blue sky thinking as, by default and not by design, we are heading towards a two tier system.

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Brits could stop demanding and expecting a top tier health service while resolutely refusing to pay for a top tier health service, just for starters.

We could also pay nurses more than a pittance so that some people might actually want to become nurses, rather than falling over in hysterics at the suggestion.

Dunno. Just throwing that out there.

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