When will indyref2 happen?

[Guest Jedi]

8 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

Labour voters in Scotland are 37% Yes. 

So that's +11% = 54% Pro independence 

Not sure if the result was the same as that poll, with SNP 41, Green 2, that they would say, but 37% of the Labour vote is Yes, therefore start negotiations though.

[williemillersmoustache]

3 minutes ago, Jedi said:

Not sure if the result was the same as that poll, with SNP 41, Green 2, that they would say, but 37% of the Labour vote is Yes, therefore start negotiations though.

Perhaps not but your assertion of pro Independence at 43% is inaccurate. As I have demonstrated. 

[Guest Jedi]

16 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

Perhaps not but your assertion of pro Independence at 43% is inaccurate. As I have demonstrated. 

But the GE is a de facto Ref...no? Therefore, you would think that the SNP and Green voting intentions combined would be over 50% at the moment.

[williemillersmoustache]

6 minutes ago, Jedi said:

But the GE is a de facto Ref...no? Therefore, you would think that the SNP and Green voting intentions combined would be over 50% at the moment.

Oh I see. That's an opinion poll not a general election. 

There I am giving you an opportunity to add some of your mobs votes to the good guys in the SNP instead of it's more contemporary use of propping up the Conservative and Unionist parties genocidal racist nonsense, and you just throw it back in my face. Sad. 

[Guest Jedi]

I don't doubt that around 37% of Labour voters are 'Yes' on the constitutional question, and 'if' there was a Ref, then that would be crucial in getting Yes over the line.

However, given that the next 'event' is the GE, and it's planned use as a de facto poll, on the wishes of the Scottish people, how people are currently intending to vote in that election is of interest. Clearly 2 years is a (very) long time in politics, and the SNP/Green vote as well as others can go up (or down). Time will tell. Hardly throwing anything anything 'back in your face;, or indeed suggesting anything related to the Labour Party propping up the Tories. I would rather think that, in the GE campaign, the Labour Party will be seeking to maximise its vote share, and not be 'working' with the Tories, given that it isn't a Yes/No choice.

[Johnny Martin]

9 hours ago, The_Kincardine said:

Nope.  Needs a S30.  But still, interesting to read the limp-wristed Alex Massie the other day.  The arch-appeaser has finally woken up to Sturgeon's ignorant rabble-rousing that your post exemplifies:

A significant but welcome change in tone from Massie.

Wasn't that long ago Lesley Riddoch was acting like he was about to jump ship to Yes after Brexit.

Then again, oor Lesley makes a lot of claims.

Edited November 30, 2022 by Johnny Martin

[renton]

11 hours ago, Jedi said:

I don't doubt that around 37% of Labour voters are 'Yes' on the constitutional question, and 'if' there was a Ref, then that would be crucial in getting Yes over the line.

However, given that the next 'event' is the GE, and it's planned use as a de facto poll, on the wishes of the Scottish people, how people are currently intending to vote in that election is of interest. Clearly 2 years is a (very) long time in politics, and the SNP/Green vote as well as others can go up (or down). Time will tell. Hardly throwing anything anything 'back in your face;, or indeed suggesting anything related to the Labour Party propping up the Tories. I would rather think that, in the GE campaign, the Labour Party will be seeking to maximise its vote share, and not be 'working' with the Tories, given that it isn't a Yes/No choice.

If the SNP manage to move the debate onto constitutional grounds and get the public to engage with the idea of a de facto referendum, with the SNP pitching for an independent Scotland back in the EU - how do you think Starmer's No free movement, f**k the immigrants message is going to go down up here?

[Adamski]

Ian Blackford stands down as SNP leader in Westminster.

[ICTChris]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/01/ian-blackford-steps-down-as-head-of-snp-in-westminster
 

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However, Blackford has faced internal criticism over what some regard as closeness to the establishment, his approach to gender issues and his handling of the Patrick Grady sexual harassment allegations.

 

[strichener]

18 minutes ago, Adamski said:

Ian Blackford stands down as SNP leader in Westminster.

Good riddance.

[The_Kincardine]

16 hours ago, Johnny Martin said:

A significant but welcome change in tone from Massie.

Wasn't that long ago Lesley Riddoch was acting like he was about to jump ship to Yes after Brexit.

Then again, oor Lesley makes a lot of claims.

And unexpected!  Big week for fence-sitters called Alex.  Here's Cole-Hamilton ridiculing her daft 'de facto referendum'  idea:

[Clown Job]

1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said:

And unexpected!  Big week for fence-sitters called Alex.  Here's Cole-Hamilton ridiculing her daft 'de facto referendum'  idea:

It’s strange seeing the media treat him as a serious politician and pretending the Lib Dem’s are more than a fringe party 

[The_Kincardine]

22 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

It’s strange seeing the media treat him as a serious politician and pretending the Lib Dem’s are more than a fringe party 

He's fair got his dander up, though.  I had a browse at Twitter and he was giving Bunter a kicking:

 

[D Angelo Barksdale]

Currently wondering in what world were Alex Massie and Alex Cole-Hamilton considered fence sitters on the subject of Scottish independence ?

[D Angelo Barksdale]

Imagining someone crossing Cole-Hamilton's name out of a Independence, Maybe ? list and reluctantly putting it in the No column.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Ian Blackford stands down as SNP leader in Westminster.

Not surprising after the Grady nonsense.

[Clown Job]

1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said:

He's fair got his dander up, though.  I had a browse at Twitter and he was giving Bunter a kicking:

 

The voters decided they didn’t want Charles Kennedy to represent them anymore 

Nobody deprived them of anything 

[williemillersmoustache]

Jesus the carping on about Charles Kennedy is despicable. Ian Blackford didn't make him an alcoholic. Pointing out he couldn't say his own name by 3pm most days in the commons didn't kill him.

His own party offering the poor man no support at all and pretending everything was fine however probably did. 

Edited December 1, 2022 by williemillersmoustache

[Antlion]

1 hour ago, Stringer Bell said:

Currently wondering in what world were Alex Massie and Alex Cole-Hamilton considered fence sitters on the subject of Scottish independence ?

You have to remember that in the past Kincardine has proudly shared Tweets from extremists so awful they got banned from the platform. For someone who thinks it’s acceptable to share posts from extremists, anyone mainstream would look like a wishy-washy fence sitter.

[edinabear]

38 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

Jesus the carping on about Charles Kennedy is despicable. Ian Blackford didn't make him an alcoholic. Pointing out he couldn't say his own name by 3pm most days in the commons didn't kill him.

His own party offering the poor man no support at all and pretending everything was fine however probably did. 

Blackford and his  supporters harassed Kennedy in Parliament, in his office, his home and by email, phone calls and letter. Horrible behaviour but unsurprising from Scottish Nationalists.