Granny Danger Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Anyone who thinks that Keir Starmer won’t sell out his principles (yes I know) if that’s what he needs to do to get into No 10 should seek help now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, Donathan said: Most of England’s population are patriotic Brits. Losing Scotland would lead to widespread unpopularity of whichever PM was responsible for it. Are you sure? IIRC during the Brexit process (2019ish) polls showed 60% of Leave voters thought that Scottish Independence was a worthwhile price to pay. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Starmer is in a win win situation by saying he wouldn't do a deal with the SNP. He knows fine well that they wouldn't put the tories into power, so he holds all the aces. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 When was the last time that Scotland held the balance of power after a General Election? Does it happen very often? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 minute ago, MONKMAN said: Starmer is in a win win situation by saying he wouldn't do a deal with the SNP. He knows fine well that they wouldn't put the tories into power, so he holds all the aces. Shite analysis. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Just now, Granny Danger said: Shite analysis. The SNP have repeatedly stated that if they held the balance of power, they would never put the tories into Government. It really is that simple. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: Anyone who thinks that Keir Starmer won’t sell out his principles (yes I know) if that’s what he needs to do to get into No 10 should seek help now. He'll sell out his principles, but not the principles of the people he needs to get into power, unless he's prepared to settle for a single term. Which he might be; that's all he's likely to get at the moment anyway. Coalition with the SNP wouldn't just outrage a vital portion of the people whose votes he's courting ("I never voted to let the Jocks run the country! It's like the tail wagging the dog!"), it would completely kill Scottish Labour; Unionists would continue with the Tories, the 40-odd percent of independence-supporting Labour voters could vote SNP knowing that it's as good as a vote for Labour in Westminster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said: When was the last time that Scotland held the balance of power after a General Election? Does it happen very often? Not immediately after a GE, but by the late 70s Labour were relying on all sorts, including the SNP, to keep them in government. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkieRR Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, BFTD said: Coalition with the SNP wouldn't just outrage a vital portion of the people whose votes he's courting ("I never voted to let the Jocks run the country! It's like the tail wagging the dog!"), Coalition isn't an option, agreed. Some other voting arrangement may be necessary. And if he courts anti-Scottish xenophobia in his support, more fool him. 5 minutes ago, BFTD said: it would completely kill Scottish Labour Scottish Labour are floating belly-up already, and all self-inflicted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, BFTD said: He'll sell out his principles, but not the principles of the people he needs to get into power, unless he's prepared to settle for a single term. Which he might be; that's all he's likely to get at the moment anyway. Coalition with the SNP wouldn't just outrage a vital portion of the people whose votes he's courting ("I never voted to let the Jocks run the country! It's like the tail wagging the dog!"), it would completely kill Scottish Labour; Unionists would continue with the Tories, the 40-odd percent of independence-supporting Labour voters could vote SNP knowing that it's as good as a vote for Labour in Westminster. No one is talking about a coalition. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 34 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Anyone who thinks that Keir Starmer won’t sell out his principles (yes I know) if that’s what he needs to do to get into No 10 should seek help now. Agreed, several weeks ago when they were riding a lot higher in the polls, he could afford to say "I will never work with these daft Jocks". Now, and as we get closer to a GE, if the numbers dictate it there is almost no scenario whereby KS wont ask the SNP for their MPs (and hence give an Indyref). People seem to forget just how limp the Lib Dems vote is, and Labour is not going to win in the numbers they were crowing about a few short weeks ago. This isnt over, but Westminster could have saved us years of fuckin angst by just saying "aye, huv it". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 41 minutes ago, Juanhourjoe said: On that basis. I'd assume the gaidhealtachd could declare independence anytime, and have no objections from the courts. You’re kidding me on? They’re everywhere, on Poileas vans, Ambaieans and railway stations all the way down to the border! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted November 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2022 It really is some take that instead of making a case for ‘why’ we should stay in the UK that people on here and elsewhere are celebrating that the people of Scotland are not allowed to make constitutional decisions against the wishes of a government elected essentially solely by the English power base. Lets all just take a second to reflect that people actually think this is a good thing. 32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, KirkieRR said: Scottish Labour are floating belly-up already, and all self-inflicted. It can still get a lot worse for them. Just look at the Lib Dems. 12 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: No one is talking about a coalition. They can call it what they like, but the moment another independence referendum is discussed, that's what it'll be seen as in the areas that are important to Labour right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford prefect Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: It really is some take that instead of making a case for ‘why’ we should stay in the UK that people on here and elsewhere are celebrating that the people of Scotland are not allowed to make constitutional decisions against the wishes of a government elected essentially solely by the English power base. Lets all just take a second to reflect that people actually think this is a good thing. Yeah folk struggling with huge bills and inflation but still beholden to the very union which puts in a government that has left us all worse off than 2009. While spouting misogynistic shite like wee nippy or wee krankie while cheering absolute buffoons like Johnson and truss. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: It really is some take that instead of making a case for ‘why’ we should stay in the UK that people on here and elsewhere are celebrating that the people of Scotland are not allowed to make constitutional decisions against the wishes of a government elected essentially solely by the English power base. Lets all just take a second to reflect that people actually think this is a good thing. It doesn't seem to occur to them that, despite it supposedly being a good thing that Scotland can't withdraw from the union, England can. Considering the self-harm involved in leaving the EU, they must be bricking it that England similarly decides we're the bad guys too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Some day when dyed in the wool Tories are on here (some for the first time in months lol) telling us that Starmers Labour wouldn't cut a deal with the SNP if it was required to deliver them power in Westminster. Shows just how fucked the Tories are.It Tories in Scotland are happy at the prospect of a Labour majority at the next GE just so the possibility of any deal with the SNP isn't on the table, they are more warped than most of us non Tories thought.Truly truly red and blue cheeks of the same arse. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: It really is some take that instead of making a case for ‘why’ we should stay in the UK that people on here and elsewhere are celebrating that the people of Scotland are not allowed to make constitutional decisions against the wishes of a government elected essentially solely by the English power base. Lets all just take a second to reflect that people actually think this is a good thing. Or another version is the English could have got upset when it was all the Scottish elected Labour MPs that got them into UK Government at the expense of the majority of English Tories. Thats politics and them’s the breaks. And actually now plays into the SNP’s hands - for as long as they are popular up here Labour will never be able to win enough Westminster seats to govern, handing us a Tory UK Government in virtual perpetuity. A wild take that’d never happen but disband the SNP and you’d get a more leftist UK Government more often. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 The list of rallies taking place today - Edinburgh Holyrood Parliament 5:15pm - 7:30pm Aberdeen St Nicholas Square 5:30pm Borders Selkirk Square and on to Kirk o Forest 6.30pm Dumfries Midsteeple area in the town centre. Beside the Planestanes 5:30pm Dundee City Square, in front of the Caird Hall 5:30pm Fort William Fort William High St 6:30pm Glasgow Concert Hall steps Buchanan Street 5:30pm Greenock Lyle fountain in Cathcart Square 5:15pm for 5:30pm Inverness Inverness Townhouse Starts 6:30pm Inverurie Inverurie Town Hall 5:30pm Lochgilphead Front Green Lochgilphead 12noon Orkney St Magnus Cathedral, Kirk Green 5:15pm Perth Concert Hall Plaza 5:30pm Skye Portree Sheriff Court, Portree Square 5:30pm Stirling At Performance Area, Junction of King Street and Murray Place 5:30pm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, BFTD said: It doesn't seem to occur to them that, despite it supposedly being a good thing that Scotland can't withdraw from the union, England can. Considering the self-harm involved in leaving the EU, they must be bricking it that England similarly decides we're the bad guys too. I’ve thought for a while that could happen. The Tories always need an “other” to be seen to be winning against and now it’s not the EU anymore, we aren’t an unlikely target. The Government are not stupid enough to think we should actually leave, but I could see another BREXIT scenario, where they go overboard on rhetoric and an Indy vote or leaving Scotland, becomes an unintended consequence of it, because they wind voters up enough to demand it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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