Rod1877 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 35 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: If you are talking about the Advocate General for Scotland - that's actually an appointment of HM Government. Dorothy Bain isn't the Advocate General and isn't an appointment of HM Government. She's the Lord Advocate, a minister in the Scottish Government, appointed by the Queen on the recommendation of the First Minister with the approval of the Scottish Parliament. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, SandyCromarty said: The EU to spite england and it's brexit nonsense would back a Scottish Bank to the hilt. But would it insist on Scotland adopting the Euro as currency, rather than an separate Scot currency? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 DPB totally overplaying his hand with this LOOK HOW THICK I AM fest I'm guessing permaloser DAF is back as well. Fabulous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 31 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: This has been explained to you ad infinitum. Any pension built up prior to independence is a liability for the UK government. Any pension built up afterwards would be a liability for the Scottish Government. We currently have thousands who get pensions despite not being UK Nationals or residing in the UK because they paid sufficient NI contributions - it's that simple. Wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Wrong. Sorry, but he is right. This was stated explicitly by the UK pensions minister during indyref 1. Scots would be treated just like ex-pats. We would receive pensions that has been built up until independence, and not afterwards. Over the next 50 years or so, the UK liability would go down and the Scottish one would go up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 minute ago, scottsdad said: Sorry, but he is right. This was stated explicitly by the UK pensions minister during indyref 1. Scots would be treated just like ex-pats. We would receive pensions that has been built up until independence, and not afterwards. Over the next 50 years or so, the UK liability would go down and the Scottish one would go up. Rubbish He said something like that but quickly retracted. LeftBackexplained it to the nth degree but was forced to give up. Likewise now with me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) Pensions would indeed continue to be paid. Eventually the Scottish govt would of course assume responsibility/liability for this. McAlpine's estimate of £8 billion as Scotland's share of UK assets seems probably fair. That would be part of the cash flow to the 'Central Bank'. However, £8 billion would of course be run down with day to day spending...naturally other revenues would be coming in as well, but the move to a Scottish Currency from the very start is still the better option for not only pensions and the (longer term) funding of them, but also public services in general. Edited October 13, 2022 by Jedi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, Jedi said: Pensions would indeed continue to be paid. Eventually the Scottish govt would of course assume responsibility/liability for this. McAlpine's estimate of £8 billion as Scotland's share of UK assets seems probably fair. That would be part of the cash flow to the 'Central Bank'. However, £8 billion would of course be run down with day to day spending...naturally other revenues would be coming in as well, but the move to a Scottish Currency from the very start is still the better option for not only pensions and the (longer term) funding of them, but also public services in general. The Institute of Actuaries explains the pensions situation very well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Just now, Jedi said: But would it insist on Scotland adopting the Euro as currency, rather than an separate Scot currency? And why not, it certainly would be better tied to the third biggest worlds economy currency than to a failing pound. Fact is to join the EU the present Scottish National Investment Bank, (set up two years ago by the SNP), would become the Scottish Central Bank and then Scotland would move forward to satisfy The Copenhagen Criteria for joining, and yes in the interim we would adopt a pound based currency as had Ireand prior to joining the EU. It's all tres simple though the unionists will come up with their usual shite which is best ignored as they know that Independence will happen. Thing is because of the idiotic chaos caused by the little englanders empirical rule brittania brexit the EU will welcome us with open arms, leaving england to enjoy the fantastic trade deals they say they have made since brexit and which in reality have never happened and now businesses are failing dramatically. The UK is in a financial abyss and facing ruin thanks to a corrupt and incompetent westminster government. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 hour ago, SandyCromarty said: that west coast area would be first strike, and given present day IC nuclear missiles capabilities there would be virtually no warning. This would certainly do far more for the West Coast than the EU Leader funding and other EU grant have over the last few decades. At zero cost this is a definite winner. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 DPB doubling down is way more entertaining than the standard approach of: "Here's my strongly held belief, based on these false statements that I could debunk with five minutes on Google" *incredibly patient posters debunk statements with five minutes on Google* "Well, I don't know much about it, but that's what I believe anyway. Maybe other posters could share their views. Is that the time? Got to go" You stick to your guns, china 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Dorothy Bain isn't the Advocate General and isn't an appointment of HM Government. She's the Lord Advocate, a minister in the Scottish Government, appointed by the Queen on the recommendation of the First Minister with the approval of the Scottish Parliament.It was a comment about evidence presented - the Advocate General of Scotland also presented evidence - just making clear that his evidence was on behalf of HM Government.He made zero attempt to address any of the points made by the Scottish Government. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Wrong.Yes you are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Cannot. Fucking. Wait. To sell Faslane to France (or Iran) for 500bn euro. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Rubbish He said something like that but quickly retracted. LeftBackexplained it to the nth degree but was forced to give up. Likewise now with me.Retracted what?You're blethering shite yet again.You used a shit analogy that you got wrong and still stand by the nonsense on pensions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) With Dorothy Bain not off to the most auspicious of starts at the Supreme Court though, and Plan B to win either a majority of seats or over 50% in the GE (we don't know which yet), it could yet be some time before Indy Ref 2/Independence happens, rendering penshuuuns moot. Edited October 13, 2022 by Jedi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Jedi said: With Dorothy Bain not off to the most auspicious of starts at the Supreme Court though, and Plan B to win either a majority of seats or over 50% in the GE (we don't know which yet), it could yet be some time before Indy Ref 2/Independence happens, rendering penshuuuns moot. I take it you've heard the SG have lost their case? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, TheScarf said: I take it you've heard the SG have lost their case? Time will tell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, Jedi said: Time will tell. It will, but at the moment, you’re talking shite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 23 minutes ago, TheScarf said: It will, but at the moment, you’re talking shite. So Dorothy Bain has made a compelling case so far, based on her statements...okay then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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