Jump to content

When will indyref2 happen?


Colkitto

Indyref2  

816 members have voted

You do not have permission to vote in this poll, or see the poll results. Please sign in or register to vote in this poll.

Recommended Posts

Just now, Dawson Park Boy said:

Irrelevant.

How the fuck are you still not getting this?  You're either trolling, or just very thick.

As an aside, will you be moving to the UK when Scotland gains independence?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I know the vast, vast majority of Falkirk fans live in some wild fantasy world where they're a Premiership top 6 club, but fucking fuck me, this kid is next level.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

16 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

How the f**k are you still not getting this?  You're either trolling, or just very thick.

As an aside, will you be moving to the UK when Scotland gains independence?

 

12 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

I know the vast, vast majority of Falkirk fans live in some wild fantasy world where they're a Premiership top 6 club, but fucking f**k me, this kid is next level.

GD gets it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

15 hours ago, BudBudBud said:

Because the UK is a country, and if you have an emotional attachment to it then you don’t want part of it splitting off.

it’s not being denied anyway, because Scots don’t want it.

The UK isnt a country. 
But the notion that the tories love us to the extent that they’d (if your arguement is correct (which it isnt) that Scotland is a financial burden but its ok for lil ole england to pick up the slack) fund us to ‘more than rest of the UK levels when the English voter is amongst the most inward xenophobic dey dook ar jabs types going is quite the take.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

24 minutes ago, Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo said:

Not having a pot of cash for something doesn't mean there isn't a liability.

There is a liability and it will be paid by the SG as long as  you live after independence.

If you die before or during receiving the pension your estate gets nil unlike funded pensions.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

There is a liability and it will be paid by the SG as long as  you live after independence.
If you die before or during receiving the pension your estate gets nil unlike funded pensions.
You can't even get that bit right - there are cases when your husband, wife, or civil partner (if you have one) could inherit some of your State Pension. This depends on the amount of National Insurance contributions you both made, and when you both reached (or will reach) State Pension age.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:
59 minutes ago, Jedi said:
Looks like they might as well have put Donald Findlay in, to argue the SG case at the Supreme Court.

I've you are talking about the Advocate General for Scotland - that's actually an appointment of HM Government.

Felt sorry for her.

 

I think she knew she was on a loser.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

You can't even get that bit right - there are cases when your husband, wife, or civil partner (if you have one) could inherit some of your State Pension. This depends on the amount of National Insurance contributions you both made, and when you both reached (or will reach) State Pension age.
 

I’m talking mainstream state retirement pension.

Please address the central point?

On independence, the SG willpaypensions out of current taxation. The UK government will pay RUK pensions.

Just hope that there will be enough high salaried individuals paying lots of tax to maintain your pension.

London and the South East will no longer be subsiding.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I’m talking mainstream state retirement pension.
Please address the central point?
On independence, the SG willpaypensions out of current taxation. The UK government will pay RUK pensions.
Just hope that there will be enough high salaried individuals paying lots of tax to maintain your pension.
London and the South East will no longer be subsiding.
As am I.

That was a quote from the Government's own website about state pensions.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

As am I.

That was a quote from the Government's own website about state pensions.

Well, in the cases you mention, they will also be paid by SG.

Please address the central point?

There is NO fund.

Pensions are paid from current taxation and post independence the SG will pay Scottish pensioners.

Very straightforward and fair!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

As Robin McAlpine points out, during the (proposed) transition from using sterling, to setting up a Scottish Central Bank and issuing Scottish currency (however long that takes), the SG would have to cover any funding gap from taxation. This is because any funds which are in the Central Bank (while it is using sterling but building up reserves), would quite quickly be swallowed up on public spending (all of health, education, and yes, penshuunns et al). Once the Central Bank funds have been depleted the gap in resources would have to be covered by taxation.....possible, but clearly taxes would have to go up.

Once the Scottish currency comes on-line, it has to build up a respectable image to be floated on international markets, establish an exchange rate etc. That is more difficult to do if taxation has had to be pushed up.

So.....much better option would be to have a Scottish currency ready to run from day 1 of Independence. This is definitely manageable, given that there would probably be a 2-3 year period of negotiations following a Yes vote.....but 'only' if the SNP drop their idea to continue using sterling in the first instance. 

Edited by Jedi
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Well, in the cases you mention, they will also be paid by SG.
Please address the central point?
There is NO fund.
Pensions are paid from current taxation and post independence the SG will pay Scottish pensioners.
Very straightforward and fair!
This has been explained to you ad infinitum.

Any pension built up prior to independence is a liability for the UK government. Any pension built up afterwards would be a liability for the Scottish Government.

We currently have thousands who get pensions despite not being UK Nationals or residing in the UK because they paid sufficient NI contributions - it's that simple.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, TheScarf said:

f**k me, first the EU queue pish, today it's 'The UK is country'.

What's the fallacy for tomorrow?  We've had penshuns and currency.  I'll take defence/NATO if that's ok with everyone?

Re defence, the UK government and MoD have some years back drawn up the cost of Scottish Independence to England, the largest financial cost was the relocation of Faslane nuclear submarine base, one suggestion by the MoD was that Scotland would be paid a large annual financial retainer for a status quo situation, this of course would be absolutely rejected by an SNP government.

On another note, bear in mind that in Putin's present state of mind that west coast area would be first strike, and given present day IC nuclear missiles capabilities there would be virtually no warning. It is likely that Russian nuclear subs are lurking off St Kilda now, so thanks to England and the union Southern Scotland is expendable, just a thought.

Also there are huge reserves of oil and gas in the lower reaches of the Firth of Clyde and beyond in that area and due to the movements of nuclear submarines no drilling exploration is allowed. Just think the likes of Lochgilphead could have been a major oil servicing port.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, Jedi said:

As Robin McAlpine points out, during the (proposed) transition from using sterling, to setting up a Scottish Central Bank and issuing Scottish currency (however long that takes), the SG would have to cover any funding gap from taxation. This is because any funds which are in the Central Bank (while it is using sterling but building up reserves), would quite quickly be swallowed up on public spending (all of health, education, and yes, penshuunns et al). Once the Central Bank funds have been depleted the gap in resources would have to be covered by taxation.....possible, but clearly taxes would have to go up.

Once the Scottish currency comes on-line, it has to build up a respectable image to be floated on international markets, establish an exchange rate etc. That is more difficult to do if taxation has had to be pushed up.

So.....much better option would be to have a Scottish currency ready to run from day 1 of Independence. This is definitely manageable, given that there would probably be a 2-3 year period of negotiations following a Yes vote.....but 'only' if the SNP drop their idea to continue using sterling in the first instance. 

The EU to spite england and it's brexit nonsense would back a Scottish Bank to the hilt.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...