The_Kincardine Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, Theyellowbox said: What is lost on most arguing against independence is that independence and the SNP are not one in the same. ScotchNats have to make that argument since the last 8 years of Sturgeon's reign have been a complete clusterfuck. "Ignore how bad we've been. I promise jam tomorrow" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: FFS, in a so-called "Union of equals" who the f**k are a parliament in London to deny the people of Scotland the opportunity to have a democratic vote on their self determination? It's a unitary nation state and has been since 1707. What we decent people are railing against is it being partitioned by cosplaying Anglophobes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 They've had all afternoon and most of the evening to recover from the shock of being out manoeuvred and all they've got is "publicity stunt" "can down the road" and the ramblings of a household solvent addicted old racist who thinks this is in some way similar to the creation of Pakistan. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: It's a unitary nation state and has been since 1707. What we decent people are railing against is it being partitioned by cosplaying Anglophobes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: ScotchNats have to make that argument since the last 8 years of Sturgeon's reign have been a complete clusterfuck. "Ignore how bad we've been. I promise jam tomorrow" That's fair enough if you can point out what was better about Nicola's reign prior to the last eight years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 18 minutes ago, Theyellowbox said: What is lost on most arguing against independence is that independence and the SNP are not one in the same. I think that's an outrageous statement (not saying you agree with it, though) and kind of falls into the "too stupid" argument. People are very aware that the issue at hand is wether or not Scotland can become an independent country and function as most independent countries do. Those arguing against independence might make the case that indy and SNP are the same, many more see through it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said: I think that's an outrageous statement (not saying you agree with it, though) and kind of falls into the "too stupid" argument. People are very aware that the issue at hand is wether or not Scotland can become an independent country and function as most independent countries do. Those arguing against independence might make the case that indy and SNP are the same, many more see through it. People are very aware that the issue at hand is that Britain should not be partitioned on the say so of 8% of its population. Scotland is neither socially nor politically homogeneous. This is natural since we've all been the same nation for over 300 years. So, at its heart, Nationalism is based on a falsehood. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: It's a unitary nation state and has been since 1707. What we decent people are railing against is it being partitioned by cosplaying Anglophobes. Your milquetoast response fails to answer my question. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: It's a unitary nation state and has been since 1707. What we decent people are railing against is it being partitioned by cosplaying Anglophobes. ^^^^ having a quick break before minesweeping the dregs of the empties. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 I wasn't on here in 2014. I'll bet there was a high level of mutual respect between the sides and level headed contemplation of the pros and cons. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, coprolite said: I wasn't on here in 2014. I'll bet there was a high level of mutual respect between the sides and level headed contemplation of the pros and cons. There was for 5 minutes till all the bumpers came to the yard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Clown Job Posted June 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) Things are going to get worse in the UK The Westminster Government is corrupt, They’re becoming more and more extreme. Just look at the US, that is where we are heading, absolutely no doubt about it Even if Labour magically get into power, they won’t roll back the damage the Tories have done or replaced the rights they have removed from us They’ll maintain the status quo until the Tories get back into power again. Tories think food banks are a good thing and people who use them deserve to be poor They hate the poor They hate the disabled They hate human rights They hate the NHS They hate state pensions They hate public service They hate scrutiny. Just look what’s happening with Channel 4 for daring to call them out They've changed their laws on protesting They want to make it harder for people to vote They don’t believe in society People are things to be used They hate people like me and you. It’s that simple This ain’t hyperbolic stuff here. Johnson has just literally lifted the cap on bankers bonuses, while telling us chumps we need to pay more in taxes. Staying in the UK shouldn’t even be a debate, we should be getting shot of these c***s pronto for our own sake. Edited June 28, 2022 by Clown Job 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: They've had all afternoon and most of the evening to recover from the shock of being out manoeuvred and all they've got is "publicity stunt" "can down the road" and the ramblings of a household solvent addicted old racist who thinks this is in some way similar to the creation of Pakistan. Yeah Nicola Sturgeon on the telly demanding a referendum as she's done for the past decade is really not what anyone without an entrenched position would consider out manoeuvring the opposition. If her side wins the courts battle then she would have done so but right now it's just posture. The main blockage in the Indy vision is the inability to discuss or improve any of the arguments that lost them the last referendum. As I said before it all so far seems very Brexity and "trust me" politics without a slither of a convincing argument being presented. The lack of confidence in the willingness to present a positive Indy case is extremely telling right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 22 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: "Ignore how bad we've been. I promise jam tomorrow" Pretty sure that’s the UK’s stance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: Your milquetoast response fails to answer my question. Your bellicose outburst was premised on some fictional "Union of equals". I treated your Q perfectly adequately. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, Clown Job said: This ain’t hyperbolic stuff here. Makes a change. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 2 hours ago, invergowrie arab said: I'm a graduate of Dundee law school. Make of that what you will. Says it all. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 50 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: Can any one, and in particular the Unionists, tell me what is the legal definition, in years, of "a generation"? I would say 25 years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Albus Bulbasaur said: Yeah Nicola Sturgeon on the telly demanding a referendum as she's done for the past decade is really not what anyone without an entrenched position would consider out manoeuvring the opposition. If her side wins the courts battle then she would have done so but right now it's just posture. The main blockage in the Indy vision is the inability to discuss or improve any of the arguments that lost them the last referendum. As I said before it all so far seems very Brexity and "trust me" politics without a slither of a convincing argument being presented. The lack of confidence in the willingness to present a positive Indy case is extremely telling right now. Hate to give the game away or paint this in primary colour crayon for you but every avenue in the pursuit of a vote is win win. If no s30 and SC rules against a consultative referendum this will make a fundamental change to the constitutional make up of the UK. It will stop being a voluntary union where the question can be avoided with "now is not the time" to an established position that "now can never be the time." It will kill the union in concept and reality before any vote in Scotland takes place. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 19 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: People are very aware that the issue at hand is that Britain should not be partitioned on the say so of 8% of its population. Scotland is neither socially nor politically homogeneous. This is natural since we've all been the same nation for over 300 years. So, at its heart, Nationalism is based on a falsehood. On what percentage of the vote did the UK partition Ireland? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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