G51 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 If the SNP win enough seats in a future election then the UK government almost certainly has to negotiate a referendum with them. No idea what "enough seats" is right enough, but if the SNP went (for example) 57/59 in a Westminster election while explicitly campaigning on a single issue it would be very hard to argue that Scotland doesn't want a referendum. It's risky though. Because if the SNP fall short of that, then Sturgeon has to go and you're left with some absolute melts leading Yes Scotland, most of whom are so incompetent it probably buries the issue for years. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, Albus Bulbasaur said: As you're undoubtedly aware I'm talking from a Remain perspective so I can't see that strategy having any impact, think it's pretty much a nice way to make it seem like there's a plan after the SC loss and to temper expectations. Can you suggest any other way that is better than the plan announced today? I understand you don’t want a referendum, but given the options, a pro Independence Party only have limited choices. illegal referendum UDI or what has sensibly been proposed by Sturgeon today. Had she gone for anything else, there’d be an outcry. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian1 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, Left Back said: No later than December 24 Utter madness to have an election on christmas eve !!!!!! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 32 minutes ago, Lyle Lanley said: Think if it's a no vote this time again. We won't get another referendum for a long time. Same Feels like a now or never 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, G51 said: If the SNP win enough seats in a future election then the UK government almost certainly has to negotiate a referendum with them. No idea what "enough seats" is right enough, but if the SNP went (for example) 57/59 in a Westminster election while explicitly campaigning on a single issue it would be very hard to argue that Scotland doesn't want a referendum. It's risky though. Because if the SNP fall short of that, then Sturgeon has to go and you're left with some absolute melts leading Yes Scotland, most of whom are so incompetent it probably buries the issue for years. I took the UK GE as an indication ref to mean that if the SNP + Green Votes is more than Tory, Labour and Lib Dems then it's a yes vote rather than the SNP winning the majority of seats. Edited June 28, 2022 by 101 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 There's nothing left to the remain vote now except British nationalists and their old empire view. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 It's risky though. Because if the SNP fall short of that, then Sturgeon has to go and you're left with some absolute melts leading Yes Scotland, most of whom are so incompetent it probably buries the issue for years.This is a good point. Sturgeon will either have made Scotland independent or will be working for the UN by Christmas 2024 (the latest a General Election can be), leaving someone else in charge of the SG. Angus Robertson? Kate Forbes? For true laughs, Humza or Swinney? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 No bad letter to that corrupt c**t 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, 101 said: I took the UK GE as an indication ref to mean that if the SNP + Green Votes is more than Tory, Labour and Lib Dems then it's a yes vote rather than the SNP winning the majority of seats. It was explicitly a mandate for Independence and not for a referendum. And why in the name of f**k would that require 96% of the seats? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Just now, Paco said: This is a good point. Sturgeon will either have made Scotland independent or will be working for the UN by Christmas 2024 (the latest a General Election can be), leaving someone else in charge of the SG. Angus Robertson? Kate Forbes? For true laughs, Humza or Swinney? Up until June I'd have voted Steve Clarke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Just now, 101 said: I took the UK GE and an indication to mean that if the SNP + Green Votes is more than Tory, Labour and Lib Dems then it's a yes vote rather than the SNP winning the majority of seats. Are you talking about popular vote? What happens if say the SNP/Greens win the popular vote but the other alliance wins most seats? The GE pledge is currently open to all kinds of interpretation and surely needs clarification on what was actually meant. Even then there will be all kinds of arguments if it goes down that route. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Brother Blades said: Can you suggest any other way that is better than the plan announced today? I understand you don’t want a referendum, but given the options, a pro Independence Party only have limited choices. illegal referendum UDI or what has sensibly been proposed by Sturgeon today. Had she gone for anything else, there’d be an outcry. I think if the SNP had a better record in government they'd build support and should focus on winning the arguments they lost in 2014. Basically their only viable option is a slow burn fact based approach rather than some emotional blame game approach. Proposing how to have a referendum should come after they're comfortably winning the Indy argument whereas right now they're hiding the detail in a Brexity way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRocketman II Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 28 minutes ago, Albus Bulbasaur said: I've got a really sore arm, I think I'm going to saw it off at the bone. But this has been the case since 2014. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Left Back said: Are you talking about popular vote? What happens if say the SNP/Greens win the popular vote but the other alliance wins most seats? The GE pledge is currently open to all kinds of interpretation and surely needs clarification on what was actually meant. Even then there will be all kinds of arguments if it goes down that route. Yeh it needs clarification if we have to go down that route, which really wouldn't be great for the UK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian1 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 "Should Scotland be an independent country?" I would rather we add the word again at the end..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRocketman II Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Countdown to the first "what currency" reference..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Just now, KingRocketman II said: Countdown to the first "what currency" reference..... Something… something NATO and Spain 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRocketman II Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Just now, Clown Job said: Something… something NATO and Spain "back of the queue".... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian1 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Can George Galloway please lead the NO campaign this time? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Clown Job said: Something… something NATO and Spain Just now, KingRocketman II said: "back of the queue".... 'Putin will invade' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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