Dan Steele Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 I was going to spend time looking at articles on GB News, its demographic and what the appeal of its style might be. But I've just read two glowing tributes to Neil Oliver and GB News in posts above, so that saved me some time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 28 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said: I was going to spend time looking at articles on GB News, its demographic and what the appeal of its style might be. But I've just read two glowing tributes to Neil Oliver and GB News in posts above, so that saved me some time. Doesn’t say much for your objectivity. Just stick with the Guardian, I suppose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Neil Oliver is a good example of a guy who worked himself into a shoot online. Not to say that hasn't happened with both pro-indy and pro-union people (even on here) because it has. People can easily become entrenched and radicalised from their starting position based on the stick they get over t'internet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 16 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Doesn’t say much for your objectivity. I'm not sure there's much in the way of objectivity in GB News and certainly not in Oliver's increasingly odd style, but then he's not a journalist. Of course, no media is free of a position, it's just this blatant and overt shift to a very shouty right-wing agenda is one I feel troubled by. 19 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Just stick with the Guardian, I suppose. I liked that! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Neil Oliver is the man whom, in his book of the history of Scotland, shared a map from the 1800s showing Scotland "firmly part of the union". There is absolutely no mention of Britain, the UK or indeed any union. Intact it clearly shows Scotland and England separately. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 He has indeed, a high level. A platform where diversity of opinion and freedom of speech are actually allowed.Clearly never saw the taxi driver interview yesterday then.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 57 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said: I was going to spend time looking at articles on GB News, its demographic and what the appeal of its style might be. But I've just read two glowing tributes to Neil Oliver and GB News in posts above, so that saved me some time. You could always tune in to Mark Dolan who has porn stars, Right Said Fred, Daniella Westbrook, Nicola McLean, Angie Best and other hard hittng political and social commentators enlightening us with their thick as a brick gammon grumblings. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAD Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said: He’s excellent. GB News just get better and better with a wide range of opinions. Have GB news not sacked a few presenters now for having the wrong opinion? They definitely sacked one for supporting BLM and taking the knee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 You could always tune in to Mark Dolan who has porn stars, Right Said Fred, Daniella Westbrook, Nicola McLean, Angie Best and other hard hittng political and social commentators enlightening us with their thick as a brick gammon grumblings.Apparently the actor from Norn Iron that played Jim Macdonald on Coronation Street years ago is a regular contributor mostly feigning embarrassment at footballers taking the knee. That's about their level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 1 hour ago, dirty dingus said: You could always tune in to Mark Dolan who has porn stars, Right Said Fred, Daniella Westbrook, Nicola McLean, Angie Best and other hard hittng political and social commentators enlightening us with their thick as a brick gammon grumblings. Apparently the actor from Norn Iron that played Jim Macdonald on Coronation Street years ago is a regular contributor mostly feigning embarrassment at footballers taking the knee. That's about their level. What does ‘apparently’ mean? Have you seen him or not? All channels have z list celebs on from time to time. So what. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 What does ‘apparently’ mean? Have you seen him or not? All channels have z list celebs on from time to time. So what.Only via a clip on another program. Excruciating. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 6 hours ago, Dons_1988 said: Sure, those disparities exist and it’s not a great look. One might argue 15 years isn’t enough to radically change the underlying causes of that but specific to an indy debate, the argument needs to be less about government performance and more constitutional. It’s perfectly reasonable to ask what is it about the uk that is preventing closing that gap and what can independence do for that? The next question is then will an independent Scotland have the resources to do it. The ‘reckless tories’ stuff is a bit of a unionist trope but there is truth to it. I think tories bad will bring people to the debate but if independence is serious then a credible positive case for it needs to be put forward to convert the maybes into yes. There's no doubt in my mind that the UK needs huge constitutional reform and a large part of my desire for independence is that I don't believe the UK is capable of it. All the personality, policy and process arguments are moot here and it's usually a failure to want to debate the crux of independence which leads folk to warble on about ferries, currency and borders. The UK is run on the basis that there's little or no point trying to win the votes of anyone other than about 33% of England. It's a winner takes all approach, it suits already well established people, institutions and does little or nothing for the rest. Boris and Brexit are just symptoms not the disease, along with the pork barrel politics of only offering funding to tory councils and then the naked bribery/corruption of the levelling up funding. Maybe things won't be better if we're independent, I don't think so but it is a possibility. However, things cannot get better for Scotland within the UK as there is absolutely no advantage to be gained and therefore no incentive for any UK party to make it so. f**k the Tories (always) but look at Labour to prove this is the case. We constantly hear that Labour cannot win without Scotland. But their policies and attention is laser focussed on the brexity/hard on crime/middle or norf England. We are rich, we are educated, we are ideally geographically placed and have all the components to make a successful independent state. It will be hard, we will make mistakes but it will in the end be far better for the people who live here to decide how and by whom we are governed. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabianKnight Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 12 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: That is the best Q I have seen in ages. Scotland has a massive divide between 'nice places' and 'shiteholes'. For example, Deeside and N Lanarkshire. - both of which I know very well. Deeside is one of the really nice places in Europe to live and bring up weans - which is why it is populated by folk from around the world - inc. many Scandis - who fall in love with it. Coatbridge? Not so much. 15 years of a Nationalist administration hasn't closed the gap between, say, Aboyne and Coatbridge or, say, Hyndland and Possilpark. Yet they want us to believe that a 'Yes' vote would turn Scotland into Denmark. Nationalists are selling snake oil, sadly. WHY HAVEN'T THE NATS FIXED ALL THE PROBLEMS CREATED BY US. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Doesn't every (independent) country on the planet have wealthy and poor areas? An independent Scotland would hardly be an outlier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, TheScarf said: Doesn't every (independent) country on the planet have wealthy and poor areas? An independent Scotland would hardly be an outlier. True enough. I wasn't aware the the UK had managed to eliminate the differences between the richer and poorer areas. If this was a remarkably equal society, and independence would make it less equal, then maybe I could see a problem. As it is, with the never ending downward pressure on the living standards of workers (What... You want to keep pace with inflation? On your bike!) while at the same time apparently intending to remove restrictions on directors' pay... More equal society my arse! Edited June 21, 2022 by Salt n Vinegar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 The real question is not "Why does Scotland have rich and poor areas", but "Why is all the power to bring areas out of poverty centralised in Edinburgh, and why would giving Edinburgh more power actually make any difference?" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 39 minutes ago, G51 said: The real question is not "Why does Scotland have rich and poor areas", but "Why is all the power to bring areas out of poverty centralised in Edinburgh, and why would giving Edinburgh more power actually make any difference?" All the power is quite clearly not centralised in Edinburgh and it hasn't been, it hasn't been ever. Blaming a devolved government that has had limited time and limited powers to change the sins of centuries is quite a thing. If an independent country had all the powers, the question would be how better it could be and the base line would be that it could scarcely be worse. That said, there will never be a stream of visitors making their way from the station to take in the delights of Scorguie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 40 minutes ago, sophia said: All the power is quite clearly not centralised in Edinburgh and it hasn't been, it hasn't been ever. Blaming a devolved government that has had limited time and limited powers to change the sins of centuries is quite a thing. If an independent country had all the powers, the question would be how better it could be and the base line would be that it could scarcely be worse. That said, there will never be a stream of visitors making their way from the station to take in the delights of Scorguie. Other areas are also a bit questionable... My next door neighbour's first wife's older sister's younger lad's first job was as a rear gunner on a Niddrie milk float. All changed now, of course. Hardly anybody gets milk delivered these days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabianKnight Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 2 hours ago, oaksoft said: That argument is wearing very thin. There's only so often you can blame the Tories. The facts are that the SNP have been in power here for 15 years and could have done substantially more to improve the country than they have done, regardless of them being shackled to an extent by Westminster. If anyone thinks our NHS and education systems are being properly run, they are deluding themselves. Were you levelling those kind of questions at previous Labour or Tory or coalition governments? That clap back is wearing thin and there's quite frankly no defending the generational neglect and mismanagement from Westminster or even Holyrood. By all means criticism of the SNP could be levelled but at least be honest with yourself and others that Westminster was the root cause of the issues. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 ^^^ Feigning ignorance, what claptrap. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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