Terry_Tibbs Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Tell that to Sweden. The Eurozone didn't exist when Sweden joined the EU. The rules for new members are quite clear. I can't tell if you're being disingenuous or if you're just plain ignorant/obtuse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I would argue that the UK is far worse. I'm not really sure there's a huge amount of difference. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Terry_Tibbs said: The Eurozone didn't exist when Sweden joined the EU. The rules for new members are quite clear. I can't tell if you're being disingenuous or if you're just plain ignorant/obtuse. Yes it did. Sweden had to commit to joining the Euro when it met all the criteria, which it has from the start apart from one, having the necessary domestic legislation in place. This it just refuses to do, 27 years later. https://ec.europa.eu/info/business-economy-euro/euro-area/euro/eu-countries-and-euro/sweden-and-euro_en Edited June 14, 2022 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post williemillersmoustache Posted June 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2022 YOUS WID HUV TAE HUV RA URO INDEPENDENCE JIST ESSENNPEE OBSESSION EU JIST THA SAME AS UK WHIT ABOOT SPAIN SOMETHING SOMETHING THE QUEEN Great to see it lads. See you on the campaign trail. 25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, G51 said: I'm not really sure there's a huge amount of difference. Specifically, about 400 million people to trade and recruit with, from and to, a regulatory regime one of only two which sets world standards and the ability to leave whenever the f**k we like. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Just now, williemillersmoustache said: Specifically, about 400 million people to trade and recruit with, from and to, a regulatory regime one of only two which sets world standards and the ability to leave whenever the f**k we like. There's nothing stopping an independent Scotland outside of the EU from implementing freedom of movement. That's just a policy. Most European regulatory bodies are worth f**k all. They're filled with suppliers that write the codes and standards to their own advantage. And in all cases, domestic legislation supersedes EN standards - you can't be prosecuted for failing to follow an EN standard, but failure to follow it can be used as evidence that you didn't comply with the relevant domestic legislation. BS standards are significantly higher than the EN equivalent (where such a divergence still exists). Joining the EU just because you can leave it doesn't seem very sensible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Rejoining the EU. The joy of retiring to Spain and buying a villa of a raging gammon for 1/2 what he paid for it. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 For as long as I can remember, the SNP have been promising thousands and thousands of green jobs. Where are they? The vast majority are overseas. Nothing to do with being in the Union. What s going to change? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 minute ago, G51 said: There's nothing stopping an independent Scotland outside of the EU from implementing freedom of movement. That's just a policy. Most European regulatory bodies are worth f**k all. They're filled with suppliers that write the codes and standards to their own advantage. And in all cases, domestic legislation supersedes EN standards - you can't be prosecuted for failing to follow an EN standard, but failure to follow it can be used as evidence that you didn't comply with the relevant domestic legislation. BS standards are significantly higher than the EN equivalent (where such a divergence still exists). Joining the EU just because you can leave it doesn't seem very sensible. It will be good to be able to make that decision based on what's best for Scotland and the Scottish economy.......rather than have it made for us to our impoverishment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, G51 said: There's nothing stopping an independent Scotland outside of the EU from implementing freedom of movement. That's just a policy. Most European regulatory bodies are worth f**k all. They're filled with suppliers that write the codes and standards to their own advantage. And in all cases, domestic legislation supersedes EN standards - you can't be prosecuted for failing to follow an EN standard, but failure to follow it can be used as evidence that you didn't comply with the relevant domestic legislation. BS standards are significantly higher than the EN equivalent (where such a divergence still exists). Joining the EU just because you can leave it doesn't seem very sensible. Maybe, I don't think so right enough but these are differences between the UK and the EU. Also declaring FOM unilaterally isn't something you can expect to be reciprocated. Sort of a fundamental misunderstanding there. Edited June 14, 2022 by williemillersmoustache 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 We go again. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 That's the panic button been pressed - this forum's going to be jumping for the foreseeable 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, git-intae-thum said: It will be good to be able to make that decision based on what's best for Scotland and the Scottish economy.......rather than have it made for us to our impoverishment. It's not about what we decide to do, it's just the ability to do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Listened to some of Stephen Jardine's phone in this morning. Enraged woman from Edinburgh on saying all this is about is hating the English. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Aye so nobodies actually got a date? Seems a tad performative to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: Maybe, I don't think so right enough but these are differences between the UK and the EU. Also declaring FOM unilaterally isn't something you can expect to be reciprocated. Sort of a fundamental misunderstanding there. When it comes to benefiting Scotland, it absolutely is something you can declare unilaterally. Whether it's reciprocated is irrelevant (and in practice, no EU country will prevent someone with a Scottish passport from living/working there). If the differences between the UK and the EU amount to following EN standards over BS, then that's not really a case for rejoining the EU. It's quite likely many EU standards (particularly construction/engineering ones) will follow the lead of BS standards in the near future anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTG_03 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Love the seethe that an indyref announcement brings. Really looking forward to the tsunami of reasons why we're the only country in the world unable to make our own decisions. "You're no getting the pound" "Why do you hate England" "The economy will crash" "Kids will starve" "The ferries that don't exist will sink" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 minute ago, G51 said: When it comes to benefiting Scotland, it absolutely is something you can declare unilaterally. Whether it's reciprocated is irrelevant (and in practice, no EU country will prevent someone with a Scottish passport from living/working there). If the differences between the UK and the EU amount to following EN standards over BS, then that's not really a case for rejoining the EU. It's quite likely many EU standards (particularly construction/engineering ones) will follow the lead of BS standards in the near future anyway. This is a very brave and valiant attempt you're making but the UK and EU aren't the same and the differences I've shown prove that. Also, and this is something I have some experience of. The benefits of FOM are absolutely 2 way. And far better when covered by treaty obligations which define the rights of the individual. Rather than goodwill/hopeful assumptions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Well i guess we can look forward to previously unseen levels of trolling from the usual weirdos. Kincs will be keeping his local Hepatologist on speed dial as well. Fabulous stuff all round. Genuinely can't wait for another No result and 20+ years of venal Tory governments 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 27 minutes ago, Lurkst said: Listened to some of Stephen Jardine's phone in this morning. Enraged woman from Edinburgh on saying all this is about is hating the English. Was her name Jill Stephenson by any chance ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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