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10 minutes ago, Terry_Tibbs said:

The Eurozone didn't exist when Sweden joined the EU.

The rules for new members are quite clear.

I can't tell if you're being disingenuous or if you're just plain ignorant/obtuse.

Yes it did. Sweden had to commit to joining the Euro when it met all the criteria, which it has from the start apart from one, having the necessary domestic legislation in place. This it just refuses to do, 27 years later.

https://ec.europa.eu/info/business-economy-euro/euro-area/euro/eu-countries-and-euro/sweden-and-euro_en

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Just now, williemillersmoustache said:

Specifically, about 400 million people to trade and recruit with, from and to, a regulatory regime one of only two which sets world standards and the ability to leave whenever the f**k we like. 

There's nothing stopping an independent Scotland outside of the EU from implementing freedom of movement. That's just a policy.

Most European regulatory bodies are worth f**k all. They're filled with suppliers that write the codes and standards to their own advantage. And in all cases, domestic legislation supersedes EN standards - you can't be prosecuted for failing to follow an EN standard, but failure to follow it can be used as evidence that you didn't comply with the relevant domestic legislation. BS standards are significantly higher than the EN equivalent (where such a divergence still exists).

Joining the EU just because you can leave it doesn't seem very sensible.

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1 minute ago, G51 said:

There's nothing stopping an independent Scotland outside of the EU from implementing freedom of movement. That's just a policy.

Most European regulatory bodies are worth f**k all. They're filled with suppliers that write the codes and standards to their own advantage. And in all cases, domestic legislation supersedes EN standards - you can't be prosecuted for failing to follow an EN standard, but failure to follow it can be used as evidence that you didn't comply with the relevant domestic legislation. BS standards are significantly higher than the EN equivalent (where such a divergence still exists).

Joining the EU just because you can leave it doesn't seem very sensible.

It will be good to be able to make that decision based on what's best for Scotland and the Scottish economy.......rather than have it made for us to our impoverishment.

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9 minutes ago, G51 said:

There's nothing stopping an independent Scotland outside of the EU from implementing freedom of movement. That's just a policy.

Most European regulatory bodies are worth f**k all. They're filled with suppliers that write the codes and standards to their own advantage. And in all cases, domestic legislation supersedes EN standards - you can't be prosecuted for failing to follow an EN standard, but failure to follow it can be used as evidence that you didn't comply with the relevant domestic legislation. BS standards are significantly higher than the EN equivalent (where such a divergence still exists).

Joining the EU just because you can leave it doesn't seem very sensible.

Maybe, I don't think so right enough but these are differences between the UK and the EU. Also declaring FOM unilaterally isn't something you can expect to be reciprocated. Sort of a fundamental misunderstanding there. 

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2 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

Maybe, I don't think so right enough but these are differences between the UK and the EU. Also declaring FOM unilaterally isn't something you can expect to be reciprocated. Sort of a fundamental misunderstanding there. 

When it comes to benefiting Scotland, it absolutely is something you can declare unilaterally. Whether it's reciprocated is irrelevant (and in practice, no EU country will prevent someone with a Scottish passport from living/working there).

If the differences between the UK and the EU amount to following EN standards over BS, then that's not really a case for rejoining the EU. It's quite likely many EU standards (particularly construction/engineering ones) will follow the lead of BS standards in the near future anyway.

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Love the seethe that an indyref announcement brings. 

Really looking forward to the tsunami of reasons why we're the only country in the world unable to make our own decisions.

"You're no getting the pound"

"Why do you hate England"

"The economy will crash"

"Kids will starve"

"The ferries that don't exist will sink" 

 

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1 minute ago, G51 said:

When it comes to benefiting Scotland, it absolutely is something you can declare unilaterally. Whether it's reciprocated is irrelevant (and in practice, no EU country will prevent someone with a Scottish passport from living/working there).

If the differences between the UK and the EU amount to following EN standards over BS, then that's not really a case for rejoining the EU. It's quite likely many EU standards (particularly construction/engineering ones) will follow the lead of BS standards in the near future anyway.

This is a very brave and valiant attempt you're making but the UK and EU aren't the same and the differences I've shown prove that.

Also, and this is something I have some experience of. The benefits of FOM are absolutely 2 way. And far better when covered by treaty obligations which define the rights of the individual. Rather than goodwill/hopeful assumptions. 

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Well i guess we can look forward to previously unseen levels of trolling from the usual weirdos. Kincs will be keeping his local Hepatologist on speed dial as well. Fabulous stuff all round. 

Genuinely can't wait for another No result and 20+ years of venal Tory governments 😂

 

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