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3 hours ago, The_Kincardine said:

I see isolationist Britain has won a contract to build 3 frigates for the Polish navy:

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-company-babcock-wins-polish-frigate-competition/

 

Not quite, my ever dehydrated friend.

The ships are being built in Poland, by Polish workers. Perhaps if you had read to the end of the article you linked to, you would have worked that out for yourself.

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2 hours ago, Blue Brazil Forever said:

Thanks. What have they to do with Indyref 2? Still just curious.

The stuck-record troll likes to repeatedly claim that large parts of Scotland are third-world shanties inhabited by animalistic “daft tartan gonks”, because he’s a racist extremist who promotes his fellow extremists and who hopes to get a rise out of people who disagree with his views (which, at last count, amounted to “Scotland is horrific”; “Britain first”, “Britain is great”; “the Irish should be forced back into the UK”.

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Not quite, my ever dehydrated friend.
The ships are being built in Poland, by Polish workers. Perhaps if you had read to the end of the article you linked to, you would have worked that out for yourself.
Holy f**k that's idiotic, even by his well-established lowly standards [emoji23]
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On 04/03/2022 at 16:00, GTG_03 said:

Not really, are the EU going to say "sorry Scotland you're not being invaded therefore you're not getting in." 

 

This invasion should bring Europe closer and leave the UK looking more and more isolated. It doesn't have to be that way. 

The Ukraine invasion will make NATO more determined to keep the nukes on the Clyde. 

Independence for Scotland won't be happening anytime soon.  

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On 04/03/2022 at 16:22, monthefife said:

Independence hasn't been achieved yet. What were you expecting? 

A referendum bill is expected to come through parliament sometime in April and should we vote Yes, an economic plan will be revisited as with many other things.

You are believing in fairy tales if you believe an economic plan for an Independent Scotland is happening anytime soon.  You have the evidence at your hand with the Scottish Governments 10 year devolution plan. 

Add into that the current need for a strong NATO force, its just not happening. 

Thanks Vlad you fucking murderous p***k. 

The 2023 ref was never happening anyway, but the current war gives the Snp another perfect excuse not to hold a referendum.  

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You are believing in fairy tales if you believe an economic plan for an Independent Scotland is happening anytime soon.  You have the evidence at your hand with the Scottish Governments 10 year devolution plan. 
Add into that the current need for a strong NATO force, its just not happening. 
Thanks Vlad you fucking murderous p***k. 
The 2023 ref was never happening anyway, but the current war gives the Snp another perfect excuse not to hold a referendum.  


Spot on. The SNP don’t want a referendum, they used COVID as an excuse before and now they’ll use this war as an excuse.
It’s over.
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It’s been obvious from the start that no 2nd referendum will take place for the following reasons:

-Scots don’t want one.

-2014 was supposed to be once in a generation.

-There’s been no sustainable evidence of support for the breakup of the country.

-The Tories always run on the promise of not holding one, and they are the party of government.

-The devolved administration does not have the power to dictate a referendum.

The latest revelation is only the latest piece of evidence in a long list of obvious indicators as to the SNP’s apathy towards holding another referendum they know they wouldn’t win.

As a Yoon, my gut feeling is that the SNP are a safe pair of hands for the Union.  I can only hope Nats continue to choose them over Alba.

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2 hours ago, Goomba said:

It’s been obvious from the start that no 2nd referendum will take place for the following reasons:

-Scots don’t want one.

-2014 was supposed to be once in a generation.

-There’s been no sustainable evidence of support for the breakup of the country.

-The Tories always run on the promise of not holding one, and they are the party of government.

-The devolved administration does not have the power to dictate a referendum.

The latest revelation is only the latest piece of evidence in a long list of obvious indicators as to the SNP’s apathy towards holding another referendum they know they wouldn’t win.

As a Yoon, my gut feeling is that the SNP are a safe pair of hands for the Union.  I can only hope Nats continue to choose them over Alba.

BINGO!!!

(and nice to see an injection of fresh thinking and terminology enter into the debate)

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5 hours ago, Goomba said:

It’s been obvious from the start that no 2nd referendum will take place for the following reasons:

-Scots don’t want one.

-2014 was supposed to be once in a generation.

-There’s been no sustainable evidence of support for the breakup of the country.

-The Tories always run on the promise of not holding one, and they are the party of government.

-The devolved administration does not have the power to dictate a referendum.

The latest revelation is only the latest piece of evidence in a long list of obvious indicators as to the SNP’s apathy towards holding another referendum they know they wouldn’t win.

As a Yoon, my gut feeling is that the SNP are a safe pair of hands for the Union.  I can only hope Nats continue to choose them over Alba.

Oh dear! We appear to have another Yoon poster that states his own opinions as if they were facts.

Let's go through this misinformation line by line

-Scots don’t want one.

A majority of Scots voters (not "Scots") want a referendum within the next 5 years. The smallest poll majority in 2021 was 3% and the largest 10% Polling details

-2014 was supposed to be once in a generation.

That phrase doesn't appear in the Edinburgh Agreement. Anyway, a political generation is defined as 7 years in the Good Friday Agreement. Why should a generation be defined differently in different parts of the UK?

-There’s been no sustainable evidence of support for the breakup of the country.

The most recent polling (December 2021) suggests that yes & no are tied. when don't knows are excluded. The largest lead held by either side since the last Holyrood election was 9% for yes and only 6% for no      Link - scroll down to first table

-The Tories always run on the promise of not holding one, and they are the party of government.

The Tories are the party of Government in the UK, not Scotland.

If the Union is a union of equals, the decision whether to leave is a matter fot the voters in the area that wants to leave. Allowing rUK MP's to decide the status of any specific part of the UK smacks of colonialism, rather tha a union of equals

-The devolved administration does not have the power to dictate a referendum.

This has not been tested in court. It's only an opinion.

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