When will indyref2 happen?

[orfc]

2 minutes ago, Ric said:

The idea that nationalism is fuelled by the hatred of the English is perpetrated by the English themselves as if to act like a victim. I've seen it myself many a time.

The simple truth is that you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

You're blaming "blaming the english" on the english? It's nicely meta, I'll give you that.

[Ric]

1 minute ago, orfc said:

You're blaming "blaming the english" on the english? It's nicely meta, I'll give you that.

I get you support a team on the border, try living several hundred miles more South.

It's still a valid point, if independence was driven by a hatred of our Southern neighbours, then it wouldn't be seeing the levels of support it has now. What's more in order to "broaden the church" of that support, it specifically needs to steer away from any such sentiment.

[Blue Brazil Forever]

1 hour ago, Ric said:

I get you support a team on the border, try living several hundred miles more South.

It's still a valid point, if independence was driven by a hatred of our Southern neighbours, then it wouldn't be seeing the levels of support it has now. What's more in order to "broaden the church" of that support, it specifically needs to steer away from any such sentiment.

Isn't that in effect telling people to go home. I believe that was fairly recently condemned as racialist.

[Antlion]

2 hours ago, The_Kincardine said:

I know that it's not really a Natter thing but some people are able to grasp the idea that two or more things can be wrong at the same time.  In this case, Brexit and partition.  I've said before - but it's always worth repeating - that those who support Brexit are little different from those who support partitioning Britain.  Definitely two cheeks of the same divisive arse.

A repetition somewhat undermined by the fact that you’re happy to kiss one of them.

[D Angelo Barksdale]

2 hours ago, The_Kincardine said:

I've said before - but it's always worth repeating - that those who support Brexit are little different from those who support partitioning Britain.  Definitely two cheeks of the same divisive arse.

Not this risible nonsense again. "All nationalists and nationalism movements are exactly the same and very bad, expect my own particular weird brand of flag shagging British nationalism"

[renton]

3 hours ago, The_Kincardine said:

I know that it's not really a Natter thing but some people are able to grasp the idea that two or more things can be wrong at the same time.  In this case, Brexit and partition.  I've said before - but it's always worth repeating - that those who support Brexit are little different from those who support partitioning Britain.  Definitely two cheeks of the same divisive arse.

Can you imagine the mess there would be if your arse didn't have a division in it?

[DeeTillEhDeh]

The idea that nationalism is fuelled by the hatred of the English is perpetrated by the English themselves as if to act like a victim. I've seen it myself many a time.
The simple truth is that you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

It is perpetrated by an arsehole Scottish unionist from Bucks.

[Baxter Parp]

There's more detail in the accounts here of them trying to explain it, (page 13, referendum appeal) -> http://search.electoralcommission.org.uk/Api/Accounts/Documents/23205
Basically they've spent it, but kept an IOU of the money involved and will spend that amount eventually, if they get enough donations without their own caveats
They've also shifted the goalposts on what it can be used for, not just on the referendum, but "independence related campaigning" and "secure a referendum"
 
Two different things, as I pointed out to baxter a while back e.g. if dundee fundraised specifically for a european campaign, and then said they'd spent all the money trying to qualify for europe, would that be the same thing? Obviously, err, no.

Eh? If you dont qualify you can't play.

[Kenneth840]

What is a nationalist that is the question. The Scots, Irish and Welsh embrace their nationality, why can't the English?  It's bad to be a Scottish/Irish/Welsh nationalist, but it is fine to be an English nationalist.  Why?  

The Scots, Irish and Welsh embrace their nationality, why don't the English? Is it because they see themselves as British first? 

What is British? What is English?  Do the English know their identity? 

The English parliament (which has no right under the treaty of union) is behaving like the mother parliament.  

It is past time we asked our MPS to take back control. 

 

Edited August 28, 2021 by Kenneth840

[BigDoddyKane]

Murrells a liabilty that should have been removed when Sturgeon got job as first minister to ensure no hint of a conflict of interest at any point in future, hes hopeless and for a while now its looked like hes kept that job only because of the first minister.

Edited August 28, 2021 by BigDoddyKane

[Baxter Parp]

6 minutes ago, BigDoddyKane said:

Murrells a liabilty that should have been removed when Sturgeon got job as first minister to ensure no hint of a conflict of interest at any point in future, hes hopeless and for a while now its looked like hes kept that job only because of the first minister.

Why, what's he done?

[thepundit]

I see there was another Indy rally yesterday and it looks like there was only about 20 people there.

[KingRocketman II]

7 hours ago, thepundit said:

I see there was another Indy rally yesterday and it looks like there was only about 20 people there.

or in other words "Rangers"

[git-intae-thum]

14 hours ago, thepundit said:

I see there was another Indy rally yesterday and it looks like there was only about 20 people there.

Aye...that demand from half the population and growing. It has all just gone away right enough.

 

[git-intae-thum]

On 27/08/2021 at 11:16, SANTAN said:

Has it happened yet?

Aye....yer a gonner....cheerio.

[Ric]

6 hours ago, git-intae-thum said:

Aye....yer a gonner....cheerio.

You realise he edited that post because he'd originally posted a Scotsman article from 2015, claiming it was both relevant and up to date. It was neither and just another out dated (and easily debunked) hatchet piece, which was pretty much the Scotsman's MO of the time.

[Ric]

On 27/08/2021 at 13:32, orfc said:

You're blaming "blaming the english" on the english? It's nicely meta, I'll give you that.

 

On 27/08/2021 at 15:35, Blue Brazil Forever said:

Isn't that in effect telling people to go home. I believe that was fairly recently condemned as racialist.

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-58421178

 

 

Imagine that, an English born MSP (obviously a tory because... well you know why!) manically shrieking that Sturgeon is driven by hate of the English.

Of course she realised what a fucking idiot she has been (I mean other than being a tory, of course) and was forced to came back to apologise.

Even more chucklesome is that the new (Green) presiding officer made her stand up and confirm that the apology was genuine.

 

 

 

[Glen Sannox]

4 hours ago, Ric said:

Even more chucklesome is that the new (Green) presiding officer made her stand up and confirm that the apology was genuine.

Chucklesome!!! This Tory MSP has been the victim of appalling racism, yet you find it all amusing.

[Ric]

1 minute ago, Glen Sannox said:

Chucklesome!!! This Tory MSP has been the victim of appalling racism, yet you find it all amusing.

Try harder.

[Antlion]

1 hour ago, Glen Sannox said:

Chucklesome!!! This Tory MSP has been the victim of appalling racism, yet you find it all amusing.

“Agent of”, do you mean? If seeking independence from a political union makes you racist, this woman - a member of a racist party led by a racist - is clearly a dangerous, Europhobic racist herself.