When will indyref2 happen?

[welshbairn]

16 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

There must be days when there is little wind. If we can store, okay, but can we?

Yes we can, and do. It's just a matter of using excess power to pump water uphill to a reservoir and dropping it back down through a turbine generator when needed.

Edited July 19, 2021 by welshbairn

[WhiteRoseKillie]

Poor show from you, mate.

Pretty fucking accurate, mind.

[strichener]

43 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Yes we can, and do. It's just a matter of using excess power to pump water uphill to a reservoir and dropping it back down through a turbine generator when needed.

We don't have sufficient capacity to store all our excess power using the two existing pump storage hydro facilities.

Nor do these have the capacity to power Scotland "when the wind isn't blowing". I hate that phrase as there are very few times when Scotland does not have wind blowing across the whole country.

Edited July 19, 2021 by strichener

[WhiteRoseKillie]

The whole first paragraph makes it seem like Theresa May or David Cameron were beloved characters that people loved to see across the border....well it doesn't but if you don't accept that that's pretty much the status quo for Tory leaders visiting Scotland rather than the particular individual themselves then you're arguement that Boris himself leads to anything tangible towards Indy is based on hopium. 
I've said countless times that Bojo wont allow a referendum so the centrist sensible pro Indy viewpoint is to hope the next Tory leader is a lil bitch that allows one, the only point I'm countering is the idea that big batty Bojo himself will lead to Indy...

At least the Maybot eventually sacked that cűnt Patel.
Johnson has sent a clear message to his crew that they are accountable to nobody,and rampant corruption is not only permissible, it's positively encouraged.
There's no such thing as a decent Tory but these cűnts are on a totally new level for a so-called developed nation

[WhiteRoseKillie]

Impressive handling of the tardis there, 6 years and back in 2 minutes! When did it all go wrong and you started talking in gammony twitter clichés?

It's normally about halfway down the bottle, I believe.

[welshbairn]

7 minutes ago, strichener said:

We don't have sufficient capacity to store all our excess power using the two existing pump storage hydro facilities.

Nor do these have the capacity to power Scotland "when the wind isn't blowing". I hate that phrase as there are very few times when Scotland does not have wind blowing across the whole country.

Another 450MW in the pipeline at the top end of Loch Ness. Every little helps.

[strichener]

3 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Another 450MW in the pipeline at the top end of Loch Ness. Every little helps.

Agreed.  Hopefully SSE commercialise Coire Glas which is approved for 1500MW (https://www.coireglas.com/)

[DeeTillEhDeh]

We don't have sufficient capacity to store all our excess power using the two existing pump storage hydro facilities.
Nor do these have the capacity to power Scotland "when the wind isn't blowing". I hate that phrase as there are very few times when Scotland does not have wind blowing across the whole country.

The only other feasible alternatives are underground compressed air storage or liquid air storage - but the technology for both are still in their infancy.

Flow batteries have promised a lot but delivered little - the costs of vanadium flow technology is prohibitive. ESS have gone down the iron flow route but it's still way too early to see if this comparatively less expensive option is feasible.

[Baxter Parp]

 

[Baxter Parp]

The Majority: Hundreds of active members of pro-Union group found to be fake

https://www.thenational.scot/news/19470364.majority-hundreds-active-members-pro-union-group-found-fake/?ref=twtrec

A SIZEABLE percentage of the membership of The Majority, a Unionist campaign group and media outlet which claims to “expose Nationalist ideology”, is made up of fake accounts promoting escorts, marijuana delivery, and other services abroad

Lordy.

[Lurkst]

2 hours ago, Baxter Parp said:

The Majority: Hundreds of active members of pro-Union group found to be fake

https://www.thenational.scot/news/19470364.majority-hundreds-active-members-pro-union-group-found-fake/?ref=twtrec

A SIZEABLE percentage of the membership of The Majority, a Unionist campaign group and media outlet which claims to “expose Nationalist ideology”, is made up of fake accounts promoting escorts, marijuana delivery, and other services abroad

Lordy.

Did one of them write this?...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/07/27/nicola-sturgeon-snp-criticised-failing-support-team-gb-olympics/

 

[Gordon EF]

On 18/07/2021 at 23:04, Dawson Park Boy said:

Absolutely correct and, on poor wind days, Scotland needs to import from England.

In many ways Scotland is more dependent than England.

This utter bollocks. As already pointed out, Scotland is a big net exporter of energy internally within the UK. Scotland produces so much electricity, it's not uncommon for generators to be paid to decrease generation or for consumers to be paid to consume more. That's the reverse in most part of England.

[Gordon EF]

On 19/07/2021 at 11:14, Dawson Park Boy said:

Fair enough. I’m certainly no engineer but a couple of questions.

There must be days when there is little wind. If we can store, okay, but can we?

Surely we must need a base capacity from, gas, nuclear and other sources to cope wit those windless days.

Is this wrong?

Genuinely interested.

Huge resources are being out into storage. It's not just hydro but battery farms now. The technology isn't there yet to go without a decent base of non-renewables but it's advancing rapidly. The size of the base needed to guarantee supply will steadily increase over time as storage technology advances and it's usage increases.

[Dawson Park Boy]

17 minutes ago, Gordon EF said:

Huge resources are being out into storage. It's not just hydro but battery farms now. The technology isn't there yet to go without a decent base of non-renewables but it's advancing rapidly. The size of the base needed to guarantee supply will steadily increase over time as storage technology advances and it's usage increases.

If what you say is correct, and I’ve no reason to doubt you, then that’s good news.

Alway was a bit scared about Torness being decommissioned as I liked the idea of nuclear being in the mix.

[Gordon EF]

1 minute ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

If what you say is correct, and I’ve no reason to doubt you, then that’s good news.

Alway was a bit scared about Torness being decommissioned as I liked the idea of nuclear being in the mix.

In a lot of ways it makes sense for nuclear to be in there. It's probably quite difficult to estimate whether they'll be cost effective longer term.

[Granny Danger]

I have no knowledge or understanding of the energy industry, but over decades I have seen technology adapt and innovate to meet what is required in so many fields.

So I assume that in the coming years we will see innovations that allow us to store energy efficiently.  Some of the technology might not even be invented yet.

 

[BFTD]

I mind hearing years ago that glass was the energy storage medium of the future. A quick Google seems to indicate that it's still in development, and there are plenty of people who think it's a bullshit idea that'll never work.

Anyone know a bit more about this?

[Enigma]

1 hour ago, BFTD said:

I mind hearing years ago that glass was the energy storage medium of the future. A quick Google seems to indicate that it's still in development,

Really? I’d heard they’d cracked it!

[BigDoddyKane]

Battery storage whether for battery farms or electric cars is going to bring its own problems with it but a diverse range of energy storage option like a diverse range of power types for cars is required not one single answer but many will do the job better and plenty reason to think its coming, though more investment would be good to see

[Genuine Hibs Fan]

On 15/07/2021 at 18:23, Frank Sobotka said:

Everyone who posts in the politics forum, without fail, believes in at least 3 of these.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-57994913

A historic building burning down in an area of Glasgow attractive to students you say...