John Lambies Doos Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 To be fair, the unionists will always argue that it's never a good time. They'll always find an excuse. Starmer knows fine that if he supported another referendum, his career is over in England. Where it actually matters. The polls are very consistent in the desire for a referendum. It shouldn't have anything to do with an election result. We are neck deep in 'let's-try-to-delay-it-forever' territory. Scotland is nothing more than a novelty item to Westminster.Agree but it's imperative that the referendum happens in this WM term. We are probably looking at the most hated (in Scotland) right UK wing government ever.. Johnson, Gove, Patel, Mogg etc. Collectively worse than Thatcher's cabinet.Not to mention the demographic change. Genuinely think once a campaign stands with those eejits campaigning for union it will be a shoe in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Is the tweet of a man who thinks that in the face of an SNP majority Westminster will keep saying No? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Is the tweet of a man who thinks that in the face of an SNP majority Westminster will keep saying No? Absolutely consistent with Gandhi's ignore, ridicule, fight then lose.As stated previously we are firmly in the 'fight' stage 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 5 hours ago, MixuFruit said: Ad Lib shouldn't have flexed his credentials imo. Agreed, though I understand why he felt the need in the circumstances. I'm sure we've all been there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) Totally justified to do it. Just would have been a bigger power move not to. A gif of his wee Dale Carrick when Murphy got punted would have been more effective. Edited January 19, 2021 by Gordon EF 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 16 hours ago, Ad Lib said: British Unionists generally including but not limited to registered voters, parliamentarians and political parties. Converting the leader of Her Majesty’s Official Opposition, an avowedly unionist party, to supporting a section 30 order and recognising the mandate of the Scottish Government to pursue a second independence referendum would be pretty fucking consequential. It would make it much more difficult politically for the UK Government to frame a second referendum as simply a whingy Nat demand and would significantly strengthen the political and international pressure on the UK Government to enter section 30 talks or to make some sort of other concessions. Is it a guarantee of a section 30 order? No. But it could create the political conditions for one or, failing that, the political cover for seeking to hold a referendum without one. I don’t want to pump Zoe Deschanel. What a load of pish. Mods, please 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Biden really did bring back 2009 if we’re talking about Zooey Deschanel of all people 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erih Shtrep Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 This is so bad you can guarantee @The_Kincardine will love it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Erih Shtrep said: This is so bad you can guarantee @The_Kincardine will love it. It's comedy because he sounds like he's going through an acute case of puberty tho. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 4 hours ago, Gordon EF said: Totally justified to do it. Just would have been a bigger power move not to. A gif of his wee Dale Carrick when Murphy got punted would have been more effective. Its not really the big gotcha its being presented as. A poster accused me of not being qualified in politics and debating with someone who is. I am qualified in politics, so naturally would point that out, and couldn't possibly have know that Ad Lib was too. Its reasonable to assume he wasn't given he's a lawyer. Naturally Ad Lib would also point out he actually is, the same as I did. I didn't raise qualifications, that was raised with me, and I didn't say Ad Lib or anybody else wasn't qualified to discuss politics as politics isn't like that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) Btw Ad Lib, I have to say your 'unionists are not a monolith' schtick and 'they will respect our democratic wishes if the SNP win a majority' aren't looking particularly great given Osborne's article today and Douglass Ross proposing a unionist alliance in May's election just this afternoon. Not very fortunate timing for you. However, as I said, you're not dumb and you knew you were lying at the time. I doubt either of us expected you to be proved wrong this quickly though. Edited January 19, 2021 by Carnoustie Young Guvnor 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Ad Lib may be an expert in his field as well as a superb face maker during Spud Murphy's humiliation...but everyones opinions are valid, and perhaps he's not always right.Just saying..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 On 18/01/2021 at 20:57, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: Perhaps, but the statement was I was arguing with someone qualified in the subject when I'm not, when in reality he has zero qualifications in politics and I do. Its just a statement of fact. 2 hours ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: I didn't raise qualifications, that was raised with me, and I didn't say Ad Lib or anybody else wasn't qualified to discuss politics as politics isn't like that. The first quoted part clearly shows that you did say that he wasn't qualified. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, strichener said: The first quoted part clearly shows that you did say that he wasn't qualified. Yeah read what I said Einstein. There is a difference between qualified to discuss politics and qualified in politics, that's why you use different words to describe them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 I mean its literally there right in front of you in black and white, after me further explaining further up the page, you found the quotes, posted them, and still don't understand what they say. Did I use difficult words? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, John Lambies Doos said: Ad Lib may be an expert in his field as well as a superb face maker during Spud Murphy's humiliation...but everyones opinions are valid, and perhaps he's not always right. Just saying..... He's clearly wrong here, knew it right at the start, persisted cause that's what he does, and was proved wrong within less than 4 hours. Which surprised even me tbf, we both knew it would happen, but expected it after May. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 I mean its literally there right in front of you in black and white, after me further explaining further up the page, you found the quotes, posted them, and still don't understand what they say. Did I use difficult words? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erih Shtrep Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 If the SNP wins a majority a 'grand coalition' waving the biggest Union Jacks cannot take place. Plus I suspect DRoss was just playing politics with his tweet - nailing the position of the Conservatives as the party of the union 'at all costs' and forcing prospective Labour leaders to answer whether they'd be prepared to dance with the (toxic to some) Tories. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 6 hours ago, Erih Shtrep said: This is so bad you can guarantee @The_Kincardine will love it. Certainly not a great showcase for his comic* talent but he is substantially right. All nationalist movements boil down to 'us' vs 'them' but what makes Scottish nationalism so risible - pathetic, even - is that 'us' are almost indistinguishable from 'them'. This isn't surprising as we've worked in partnership for almost half a millennium and have been the same political entity for over 300 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erih Shtrep Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Conservative voter pretending to care about the 'us and 'them' schism imploring us to remain in one of the most unequal country in the OECD. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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