SandyCromarty Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 47 minutes ago, Antlion said: The BritNats currently appear to be banking on the idea that either the polls are rigged and/or screaming the same things about currency - only louder - will turn things around if their nightmare scenario of Scots voting for and getting a referendum eventuates, and a real national (or regional, as they’d have it) debate starts up. The “they’re just polls; if, God forbid, that wee Nippy Krankie ned gets a referendum, CURRENCY WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING IN BLIGHTY’S FAVOUR!” attitude is strong. On the subject of vote rigging/electoon fraud you may recall Blurt Davidson announcing the result of the 2014 Independence referendum postal vote in favour of No well before it was officially announced. the Scottish Independence act of 2013 clearly states that anyone trying to find out the outcome of a postal ballot or 'communicate and information with respect thereto' would face a fine of £5000 or a year in prison. Ruth Davidson was then questioned by the police but insisted only as a witness and after a year long investigation all was closed. As for currency, on gaining Independence Scotland will apply for EU membership, a country applying for membership cannot be using the currency of a non EU country as per EU rules, so it is clear that the english pound would never be an option and Scotland would introduce an interim currency. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 22 hours ago, Baxter Parp said: I can honestly say that no SNP leader has ever said that the referendum "should be" once in a generation. As ever, you're the lying c**t around here. You're dancing on the head of a pin. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 34 minutes ago, strichener said: You're dancing on the head of a pin. You should try dancing in a minefield. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, strichener said: You're dancing on the head of a pin. He's really not. It makes an enormous difference to the intent of the quote whether the person was saying these choices should be once in a generation or commentating that that they are once in a generation opportunities. They have tended to come around once every 20 or so years (79, 97, 14). For example, someone could call a flood or storm a "once in a generation" event. It's generally taken by sensible people to mean that these things tend to happen with a frequency of once every 20-25 years. Not that the commentator is suggesting that we have a rule in place preventing another flood for at least 20 years. It's moronic to genuinely think that the SNP thought there should be some kind of cap on when another independence referendum could take place, given that their position has always been that they want a referendum and that should be determined by whenever people in Scotland votes for a party offering one. Edited November 14, 2020 by Gordon EF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 I refuse to believe anybody genuinely thinks Salmond was doing anything other than underlining the importance of getting off your arse and going out to vote on something that most of us never thought we'd live to be given the opportunity to decide upon. This "you said once in a generation" stuff is utter desperation from folk who are terrified of democracy once it looks like they might not end up on the winning side. 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, BFTD said: I refuse to believe anybody genuinely thinks Salmond was doing anything other than underlining the importance of getting off your arse and going out to vote on something that most of us never thought we'd live to be given the opportunity to decide upon. This "you said once in a generation" stuff is utter desperation from folk who are terrified of democracy once it looks like they might not end up on the winning side. This....they use a play on words to deny democracy. It ain't gonnae stand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 6 hours ago, strichener said: You're dancing on the head of a pin. You're being disingenuous. It's your thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 26 minutes ago, BFTD said: This "you said once in a generation" stuff is utter desperation from folk who are terrified of democracy once it looks like they might not end up on the winning side. We had democracy in 2014. I know you know this. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 minute ago, The_Kincardine said: We had democracy in 2014. I know you know this. Excellent point, democracy didn't stop in 2014. I like it, great slogan. Cheers. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 We had democracy in 2014. I know you know this.Yes sir! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 5 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: We had democracy in 2014. I know you know this. And now it's off the table? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 8 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: We had democracy in 2014. I know you know this. You only get democracy once? Spoken (or rather posted) like a truly servile *** 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: We had democracy in 2014. I know you know this. Scotland will never know true Democracy as long as we are tied to an undemocratic unelected House of Lords and a morally corrupt tory government. And that is the absolute truth of the matter. Edited November 15, 2020 by SandyCromarty 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) I look forward to the reinstallation of the whig party then if you only get to vote once. Also, UK voted to join the EC in 1970’s so we had democracy then... Edited November 15, 2020 by Inanimate Carbon Rod 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 An important intervention by Gordon Brown on the Marr Show. Apparently now is not the time. That’s me back in my box then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 9 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: We had democracy in 2014. I know you know this. If we have a future referendum, it will only be because a democratically elected Scottish parliament support it. You know you're making a stupid argument that has no traction whatsoever outside of 'union jack twitter' types. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC. Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 We had democracy in 2014. I know you know this.Yet to hear from the Unionists whereabouts in law or legislation that Scotland CAN’T have another independence referendum. The “once in a generation” shout was a throw-away idiom to hype the magnitude of how important the vote was. Roll on the ScotParliament vote to give indyref2 some proper traction. SNP are going to absolutely romp it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 33 minutes ago, DAFC. said: Yet to hear from the Unionists whereabouts in law or legislation that Scotland CAN’T have another independence referendum. The “once in a generation” shout was a throw-away idiom to hype the magnitude of how important the vote was. Roll on the ScotParliament vote to give indyref2 some proper traction. SNP are going to absolutely romp it. You hear it from Unionist all the time unless you have your head firmly stuck in the sand. The Scottish Parliament is not legally competent to hold a constitutional referendum which is why the Edinburgh Agreement exists. It also wasn't a throw-away comment, it was a position adopted by the SNP to, as you say, get across to people the importance and rarity of the opportunity. What we can't do now is throw our hands up in the air and say it doesn't matter. It clearly does as this together with "now is not the time" is the battlecry from Unionists and whilst others on here may be in favour of proceeding without an Agreement with Westminster there is no way that this would be accepted by the International Community. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Wee Bully said: An important intervention by Gordon Brown on the Marr Show. Apparently now is not the time. That’s me back in my box then. Gordon Brown. I thought he was dead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Gordon Brown. I thought he was dead.Lino sniffing c**t 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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