Gordon EF Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 It's sometimes encouraging to just stop and think about how competent our opponents actually are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blootoon87 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 I hope the EU start making more favourable noises towards an independent Scotland after the transition period ends in a couple of months. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Maturin Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Just now, Blootoon87 said: I hope the EU start making more favourable noises towards an independent Scotland after the transition period ends in a couple of months. I think if they do it will be a massive game changer and assuage a lot of fears and doubts. It could be the final piece in the jigsaw hopefully. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 On 16/10/2020 at 20:05, The_Kincardine said: So it should be since we're talking about partitioning our nation state and denying people their citizenship. Border guards at Gretna is about the most imbecilic idea I have ever heard of and the notion of alienating the 500K+ English who live in Scotland and the 800K+ Scots who live in England is a level of madness unprecedented in post-war Western Europe. Brexit isn't the model. Post-partition India is. On 16/10/2020 at 20:22, The_Kincardine said: That's the reality. The fucking state of you man. Post-partition India 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, TheScarf said: The EU have said several times they would welcome an IS into it. The term 'fast-track' was also mentioned a couple of times. On what planet would they listen to the rUK, lead by a right-wing, anti Europe government? I know there's a rightward shift in some EU states in recent years but bringing Al Baghdadi's mob into the fold would be a bit OTT????? Edited October 21, 2020 by NotThePars 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, SandyCromarty said: In 2016 the Scottish people voted 68% to remain in the EU. Later that year a poll by YouGov Euro in France showed that 61% of French people were in favour of Scottish Independence. Do we know if De Gualle was polled personally? Five centuries of history, of which half were as part of the UK is not relevant to Scotland's place in the EU. If the French people were in any way disadvantaged by Scottish entry then those polls would easily reverse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 On 19/10/2020 at 23:28, Merkincher Clach & County said: Does anyone really believe anything written in this paper? By the way, support for independence is dropping. Ta-ta Nic. What have you got against Northern Ireland? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, SandyCromarty said: In 2016 the Scottish people voted 68% to remain in the EU. Later that year a poll by YouGov Euro in France showed that 61% of French people were in favour of Scottish Independence. The other 39% just shrugged, stuck out their bottom lips and made non-committal noises. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 I assume 61% of French people gave the same “sure, why not” answer as I’d give if asked about independence for South Ossetia. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 32 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: I assume 61% of French people gave the same “sure, why not” answer as I’d give if asked about independence for South Ossetia. In fairness, I spoke to quite a few French folk last summer and most weren't slow in asking why Scotland isn't already independent. Most knew that we voted Remain while England voted Leave. That was especially true in Brittany and common in the north-east. In Paris most folk we spoke to seemed to lack an awareness that there's a world outside Paris at all, but one West African guy said he'd been dreaming of visiting Scotland ever since his village was supported by Scottish missionaries. About half the folk we spoke to were Outlander fans too, it's massive in France. Not that that's got anything to do with anything, obviously. Scotland is not to France as South Ossetia is to Scotland. It's more like Catalonia. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Blootoon87 said: I hope the EU start making more favourable noises towards an independent Scotland after the transition period ends in a couple of months. Absolutely, we should have no problem in getting a favourable response initially. Spain with Catalonia may be a slight problem. I just added that to help the unionists to slaver over with 'There's no fuckin way Spain will allow Scotland in' hysterical screaming type posts. Edited October 21, 2020 by SandyCromarty 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Absolutely, we should have no problem in getting a favourable response initially. Spain with Catalonia may be a slight problem. I just added that to help the unionists to slaver over with 'There's no fuckin way Spain will allow Scotland in' hysterical screaming type posts. We can give them back Gibraltar, it belongs to them anyway, and they will vote for our EU inclusion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRocketman II Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 6 hours ago, The Moonster said: The fucking state of you man. Post-partition India when trying to understand something some find it is better to look to something that they can better relate to - in this case colonialism 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 42 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 4 hours ago, SandyCromarty said: Absolutely, we should have no problem in getting a favourable response initially. Spain with Catalonia may be a slight problem. I just added that to help the unionists to slaver over with 'There's no fuckin way Spain will allow Scotland in' hysterical screaming type posts. We can give them back Gibraltar, it belongs to them anyway, and they will vote for our EU inclusion Fair enough, Gib is a last bastion of colonialism. However Spain has Ceuta a Spanish claimed territory in Morocco and opposite Gibralter. So there is international territorial problems on both sides of the entry to the Med. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Has anyone ever asked the question how many Scots would vote in a referendum which has been passed by the Scottish parliament but refused by Westminster? Seems to me to be quite important but hasn't been asked. In Catalonia, it doesn't matter if you have a majority. If a substantial minority don't bother voting, you have no legitimacy in the eyes of the international community. In Catalonia, they regularly ask if Catalans should have the right to decide, or autodeterminaiton. Hardly heard of here because both sides fear the answer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 4 hours ago, SandyCromarty said: Absolutely, we should have no problem in getting a favourable response initially. Spain with Catalonia may be a slight problem. I just added that to help the unionists to slaver over with 'There's no fuckin way Spain will allow Scotland in' hysterical screaming type posts. I could be wrong, but I recall reading that if a member state vetoes the accession of a new member (has this actually ever happened?) it has to make valid arguments for doing so and these need to be accepted by the other members. “We don’t want to allow the people in one of our territories to get democratic ideas” wouldn’t cut it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, tirso said: In Catalonia, they regularly ask if Catalans should have the right to decide, or autodeterminaiton. When you say regularly, what do you mean? In referendums or by a vote of MPs? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, welshbairn said: When you say regularly, what do you mean? In referendums or by a vote of MPs? No. Opinon polls by CIS., the spanish opinion poll regulator. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 36 minutes ago, Antlion said: I could be wrong, but I recall reading that if a member state vetoes the accession of a new member (has this actually ever happened?) it has to make valid arguments for doing so and these need to be accepted by the other members. “We don’t want to allow the people in one of our territories to get democratic ideas” wouldn’t cut it. Unlike Scotland Catalonia has never been a Sovereign state as a whole and as we know the Catalonia region today, and this is Spain's argument and one which is supported by some of the EU member states. Off the cuff and I may have it wrong but there was a period centuries back where Barcelona came under Aragon which was a Kingdom but nowadays Catalonia is a far bigger area than just Barcelona. There are other areas within the EU that have been calling for autonomy such as the Basque region and Brittany, within the UK framework there is a Cornish movement for self government. However there can never be an argument that Scotland is not a country or has never been a Sovereign State. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 minute ago, tirso said: No. Opinon polls by CIS., the spanish opinion poll regulator. Aye, I think there have been a few polls here on the same issue, and the Yes vote has always been much higher than for the question "Do you think Scotland should be an independent country.". Lots of unionists think we should still have the right to decide, not necessarily being in favour of a referendum, but that to hold one shouldn't be down to Westminster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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