Detournement Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 10 hours ago, renton said: An Indy Scotland with it's own central bank and Indy currency would offer the greatest flexibility to deal with crises like this. Current SNP party policy calls for a transition to an Indy currency (and no, EU membership only means we'd have to feint towards the Euro after an indeterminate time period of convergence) and who's to say that a different vote in 2014 wouldnt have seen us with an Indy currency by now? What happens if something similar to the Corona virus happens during the transition? I don't think any plan can now be put forward which involves using Sterling for any period. The risks are too obvious to even fairly uniformed voters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daydream Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 What happens if something similar to the Corona virus happens during the transition? I don't think any plan can now be put forward which involves using Sterling for any period. The risks are too obvious to even fairly uniformed voters. Like posties or Boots staff [emoji848] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 40 minutes ago, Detournement said: What happens if something similar to the Corona virus happens during the transition? I don't think any plan can now be put forward which involves using Sterling for any period. The risks are too obvious to even fairly uniformed voters. The uniformed voters don't give a f**k, mate. Nor do their dugs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, Daydream said: Like posties or Boots staff f**k. That was MY joke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 So i was a very very passionate supporter of independence, id say i still support it in principle but my issue arises that I find the SNP increasingly incompetent to the point where in December i had to hold my nose to vote for them. Now i get that right now isnt the time due to the health crisis, however I want an indy ref 2. My issue is that given the total clusterfuck of a response to the corona virus and lack of preparedness along with how badly they are messing up police funding etc I really dont think I can vote SNP anymore, but also I can’t vote for a unionist party. Id really like a non batshit mental indy party to emerge, not the monster raving nessie party led by stu campbell, salmond the octopus and craig murray et al, like a proper party that the SNP had the potential to be. What is it the Scottish Government did wrong in response to the Corona virus? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 What is it the Scottish Government did wrong in response to the Corona virus?Do you mean like how slow they’ve been to respond? The lack of a business continuity plan for pandemic disease? Or do you mean the fact they STILL havent got proper PPE for emergency service staff and GP’s? Its all very well sounding good at a podium in a press conference, but in reality Scotland’s response to this pandemic (and btw the UK one is horrific also) has been nothing short of shameful. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Id really like a non batshit mental indy party to emerge, not the monster raving nessie party led by stu campbell, salmond the octopus and craig murray et al, like a proper party that the SNP had the potential to be. I know getting a +1 from me on the politics thread is a bit like getting a leper's kiss but that was good a post from you. I have said for aeons that the big problem with independence is the Nationalists and their constant politics of grievance and identity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 30 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: I know getting a +1 from me on the politics thread is a bit like getting a leper's kiss but that was good a post from you. I have said for aeons that the big problem with independence is the Nationalists and their constant politics of grievance and identity. And no one took notice because it’s become a veritable joke that UK nationalists will dismiss absolutely anything that regional status within the UK inflicts on Scotland as “grievance”. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, Antlion said: And no one took notice because it’s become a veritable joke that UK nationalists will dismiss absolutely anything that regional status within the UK inflicts on Scotland as “grievance”. Not a clue what you're on about. Who are these 'UK nationalists' and why mention them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Not a clue what you're on about. Who are these 'UK nationalists' and why mention them? Then you haven’t been paying a great deal of attention to this forum, or any forum, or social media, or the news media. Take the next three weeks to acquaint yourself with the many and varied UK nationalist voices which have cried “grievance” about absolutely everything that supporters of Scottish independence have identified as being caused by regionhood in the UK. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/michael-gove-ridiculed-by-snp-mps-after-debating-scottish-independence-in-parliament-with-flies-a7229861.html?amp (Funnily enough, his rabid rages against the EU and demands for independence are exempt from being called “grievances”.) https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/SNP/11364492/The-SNP-is-only-interested-in-fostering-grievance-and-destroying-the-UK.html (Funnily enough his rabid rages against the EU and complaints that Farage hasn’t yet been knighted aren’t “grievances”.) No doubt you’ll easily be able to find more of the folk who have made the word “grievance” in relation to Scottish independence a joke. Once you’ve done so, you might “have a clue” as to why the lazy cries of “that’s just grievance” have virtually reached meme status. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said: I have said for aeons that the big problem with independence is the Nationalists and their constant politics of grievance and identity. And as those aeons passed, the SNP grew to become the dominant force in Scottish politics at all levels and have seen support for independence grow. You ever considered a career in super-forecasting? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 33 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Not a clue what you're on about. Who are these 'UK nationalists' and why mention them? 11 minutes ago, Antlion said: rabid rages against the EU rabid rages against the EU I was asking, simply, in P&B terms who the 'UK nationalists' might be as I can't think of any. Still, always a treat to see you frothing at the mouth and ignoring the question. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: I was asking, simply, in P&B terms who the 'UK nationalists' might be as I can't think of any. Still, always a treat to see you frothing at the mouth and ignoring the question. No you weren’t. You were trying to engineer a means of claiming that you weren’t one, that you opposed Brexit, what, what, what. Instead you’ve just made yourself look a bit thicker than usual. We’ve seen it all before, dear heart. Adding “in P&B terms” doesn’t alter much. The reason that no one takes seriously the cries of “griiiieeeevaaaance” from loyalist supporters of the UK union is that so many hypocritical and high-profile UK nationalists have devalued the term over months and years, to the extent that it’s laughable to see it still trotted out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 14 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: I was asking, simply, in P&B terms who the 'UK nationalists' might be as I can't think of any. 1 minute ago, Antlion said: No you weren’t. Oh yes I was, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Do you mean like how slow they’ve been to respond? The lack of a business continuity plan for pandemic disease? Or do you mean the fact they STILL havent got proper PPE for emergency service staff and GP’s? Its all very well sounding good at a podium in a press conference, but in reality Scotland’s response to this pandemic (and btw the UK one is horrific also) has been nothing short of shameful. I'll grant you the PPE issue isn't ideal but equipment was issued earlier this month for GP's and front line staff. Emergency plans are pointless because emergency powers are reserved. In effect we have to wait for resources and funds to be released by Westminster and then we have to comply with whatever plan is put together by COBRA.What is it you think should have happened? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 No I only posed a question 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Cowden Cowboy said: No I only posed a question About whit? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 I'll grant you the PPE issue isn't ideal but equipment was issued earlier this month for GP's and front line staff. Emergency plans are pointless because emergency powers are reserved. In effect we have to wait for resources and funds to be released by Westminster and then we have to comply with whatever plan is put together by COBRA.What is it you think should have happened?No it wasnt, my wife and I are both on the front line, her PPE isnt fit for purpose and I dont have any. Thats my point, they are telling you that its been sent out etc etc, but it simply hasnt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
get_the_subbies_on Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Watching the FM deliver the daily updates I was struck by the possibility that this crisis could be the end for her. In the same way that Hillsborough and its aftermath with funeral after funeral resulted in Dalglish burning out and walking away from football for a while, might the same happen here?This will be draining for anyone to have to lead us through to the end. Pressure on NHS, death rates, schools out, economy hit and complete uncertainty as to the end result. I can’t think of anyone in current politics I’d rather have leading us through this but how can anyone deliver an outcome and then have the drive to take us into an indyref 2 campaign?Once this is over, i think there will be changes. (Regardless of any fall out from a future Salmond inquiry). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairn Necessities Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 I think this crisis brings out the best of Nicola. Shes an excellent communicator, authoritative. Id say its more the mundane day to day shit she struggles with a bit 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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