DAFC. Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Malky3 said: Scots got the right to decide in 2014 - and voted no in a "once in a generation referendum". It's entirely correct and consistent to follow the outcome of the referendum and to refuse further taxpayer expenditure on endless replays demanded by Nationalists in the hope that one day one of the votes might actually go their way. Where does it say this in the Smith commission, Manky? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakedee Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Can you give a comparison for the cost of an Independence referendum, compared to a GE ? FTPA appeared to restrict them to once every 5 years. That was dismissed when it suited.Is that cost justified? Scots got the right to decide in 2014 - and voted no in a "once in a generation referendum". It's entirely correct and consistent to follow the outcome of the referendum and to refuse further taxpayer expenditure on endless replays demanded by Nationalists in the hope that one day one of the votes might actually go their way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Malky3 said: Scots got the right to decide in 2014 - and voted no in a "once in a generation referendum". It's entirely correct and consistent to follow the outcome of the referendum and to refuse further taxpayer expenditure on endless replays demanded by Nationalists in the hope that one day one of the votes might actually go their way. Immediately after the vote, the Unionist parties literally say there's nothing to stop the Scottish people deciding on this again in the Smith commission. Ruth Davidson herself said the UK government shouldn't block a majority mandate for another vote IF the people vote for it. That's the climate well after 2014 never mind before it when it was all "best of both worlds,." This idea people voted to abolish their right to choose is pure recent revisionism which they know fine well. It's a fantasy. In all normal circumstances, it probably would have been once in a generation. I agree results should be respected. You'd have to be a moon dweller not to see there's been a material change. I don't believe the No vote is being particularly respected by Unionists. It was a union we voted for. Ultimately no referendum will be foisted upon an unwilling nation. All that's being asked is the ability to have one if the Scottish people want one. Do you not agree with that principle? If not, it's not a union we live in anymore. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Imagine actually wanting the Tories to deny a mandate earned multiple times. How much must someone hate Scotland to actually want the country pissed on to that level. 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 22 minutes ago, Malky3 said: Scots got the right to decide in 2014 - and voted no in a "once in a generation referendum". It's entirely correct and consistent to follow the outcome of the referendum and to refuse further taxpayer expenditure on endless replays demanded by Nationalists in the hope that one day one of the votes might actually go their way. Still true more than a year later. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Imagine actually wanting the Tories to deny a mandate earned multiple times. How much must someone hate Scotland to actually want the country pissed on to that level.Let's just summarise this.Malky the Scottish Hater 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Just now, John Lambies Doos said: Let's just summarise this. Malky the Scottish Hater If it were just him, I'd pay no attention because he's not worth paying attention to, but it's more than that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Grimes Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Donathan said: I’m becoming increasingly of the opinion that the only way Scotland can be independent is through the SNP exerting influence at WM in a future hung parliament situation. We’ve seen with Catalonia that going down the route of an advisory referendum (or less likely a straight UDI by Holyrood) is not going to get the international community on side. The only way Scotland can legally become independent is with the consent of WM and it’s very clear that the current Tory government have absolutely no intention of providing that. I doubt even a Labour majority government would do so either. Scotland just needs to keep voting SNP and hope that the balance of power falls in such a way that they can use a referendum as a bargaining chip. That sounds grim 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 But yet Malky the economic genius predicts rate rises just a few posts back. We are YEARS away from any situation where rates will be raised to combat inflation, possibly a generation away to use his own vernacular. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jan/12/uk-interest-rate-cut-looms-larger-as-latest-policymaker-backs-move 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, John Lambies Doos said: Let's just summarise this. Malky the Scottish Hater I find it hard to believe that people are actually arguing with this obvious troll and the lying garbage that he posts. It's the classic SiU tactic for years now, fill social media.....newspaper forums, discussion boards etc.....with as much white noise as possible. It doesn't matter how ridiculous it is, how much of a lie it is, how poisonous it is.....just fill social media with this constant 'SNP baaaaaad' garbage and they feel their job is done. I'll guarantee you that this fanatic is on places like The Scotsman, day in, day out, filling the forums with anti-independence hate and drivel. Honestly, just put him on ignore and don't reply to him. He'll hate it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 So Johnson says no. Time for the Kalashnikovs? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC. Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 I’m not confident we’d win an indyref next year. Boris should have gambled and grant it. He’s just delayed the inevitable for me now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Imagine he had gambled it. I reckon they’d have probably won on sheer baws oot shock. As it is, relying on legalism and by-your-logic debate to convince someone who doesn’t give a shit about either should get us there eventually. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: This is a good point Agreed - they need to work up momentum for independence from Johnson and co, and you don’t get that from periods of acceptance and waiting. One would hope that they’ve something up their sleeves re the end of January being England and Wales’ enforced Brexit - but I suspect there isn’t really a game plan here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Dickie Leonard response 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 17 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: This is a good point Not really. This is the first time the Government has formally refused a Section 30 so pretending that it's a "constant cycle" is disingenuous, to say the least. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONTROOPER Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 CH4 News there...devoting all of 60 seconds to Johnson's refusal of a Section 30 Order with no comment from any SNP politician but affording Gove the final say. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Dickie Leonard responseHe's just making it up as he goes along [emoji23] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabianKnight Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Queue Slab coming out with they'll support a second ref if third option of devosuperunitedkingdomnightmare added to the ballot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONTROOPER Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 18 minutes ago, doulikefish said: Dickie Leonard response Tricky Dickie on another rehashed 'federalism' trip. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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