ICTJohnboy Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, DAFC. said: Just had to watch QT the other night to see what Little England thinks of us. We have nothing in common anymore except language. We need independence. Not even sure about that. (language) When I go into a pub in here in Lancashire, and ask for a pint of Ruddles they don't know what I'm on about. I've learned now I have to ask for Roodles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 A pint of... What? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 28 minutes ago, Stellaboz said: A pint of... What? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Is that Daglish Ale? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 18 hours ago, sergie's no1 fan said: Sturgeon is expecting him to knock it back but going by this she has a plan so it can't be challenged legally. Sounds very promising. Put it this way, if it comes down to awareness of the legal system in this regards, I know where my money is. And it isn't with a loveably unkempt Have I Got News For You Presenter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Ruddles is fucking boggin’ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Do people honestly think the Scottish Government are going to ask Westminster for permission and expect to get it granted? Of course it'll get rejected, but I'm fairly certain they'll have the next move ready when the inevitable no is given. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Do people honestly think the Scottish Government are going to ask Westminster for permission and expect to get it granted? Of course it'll get rejected, but I'm fairly certain they'll have the next move ready when the inevitable no is given.I suspect it’ll all be quite pantomime. They’ll fully expect a no but the flat out no just fuels the independence argument and I’d expect the SNP to be pushing that as far as possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Stinky Bone said: Can they take away Holyrood though? I am a bit confused by the Scotland act. The Scotland Act 2016 states that the Scottish government and parliament can only be taken away if a referendum is held in Scotland and it was voted for. Yet the Scotland Act 1998 section 30 says that the uk government can amend any rules and legislation that Holyrood enacts. So I don't know if they can or can't legally dissolve Holyrood. No. The Scotland Act 2016 says that the Scottish Parliament is a permanent part of the UK’s constitutional arrangements and that it isn’t to be abolished except following a referendum in which that is the decision of #RaPeeepul of Scotland. But under section 28(7) of the original Scotland Act 1998, the legal powers of the UK Parliament to make laws for Scotland is undiminished by devolution. This means a future Act of Parliament could repeal not only the Scotland Act 1998 (providing for the Parliament) but also the provision in the most recent Scotland Act 2016 that actually requires the referendum first. Section 30 is irrelevant in this equation. It allows the competencies of the Scottish Parliament to be modified by *secondary legislation* (rather than an Act of the UK Parliament) if the Commons, Lords and Holyrood all agree that should happen. Section 35 says the Secretary of State for Scotland can veto Holyrood Bills it he thinks they would make the UK breach its international obligations or threaten national security. (This power has never been used). Section 33 allows the UK Government’s law officers to refer a Holyrood Bill to the Supreme Court before royal assent If its provisions appear not to be within devolved competence. (This power has been used once in Scotland to delay the Continuity Bill in 2018, but the equivalent power has been used 4 times in Wales) 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 There will certainly be some sort of power grab attempted, but I genuinely don't see them going nuclear and dissolving Holyrood. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 There will certainly be some sort of power grab attempted, but I genuinely don't see them going nuclear and dissolving Holyrood. Would make sense to do what they’re doing with the NHS and just removing things gradually. Dunno if that’s legal or even desirable though. The constituency for dissolving the parliament is fairly non-existent and they can squeeze Holyrood with budget cuts instead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 The power grab is going to be subtle. It’s going to be about signing trade deals that force devolved Governments to change their laws and policies or restricts them in the future. They're not going to Get Holyrood Done. They know that is the *one* thing that would lead to a unilateral referendum, riots, and a Yes majority consisting of certain current Lab/Lib (and even some Con) voters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 They'll start by taking EU delegated powers back to Westminster rather than the devolved bodies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Just now, welshbairn said: They'll start by taking EU delegated powers back to Westminster rather than the devolved bodies. Literally what I just said. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) Yeah, it will be the sneaky, behind closed doors route they take. Gambling on ignorance and apathy. Edited December 14, 2019 by Henderson to deliver ..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 4 hours ago, DAFC. said: Just had to watch QT the other night to see what Little England thinks of us. We have nothing in common anymore except language. We need independence. Oh FFS. England and Scotland have about a 90% overlap. You both even vote in the same way. Both regions gave significant majorities to small-minded xenophobic secessionist politicians. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Empty headed yessers. every natter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Oh FFS. England and Scotland have about a 90% overlap. You both even vote in the same way. Both regions gave significant majorities to small-minded xenophobic secessionist politicians.I don’t agree with the sentiment that Scots and the English are significantly different people, but your post is nonsense.There is a clear distinction between the political Will here and down south, that is beyond doubt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 33 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: Yeah, it will be the sneaky, behind closed doors route they take. Gambling on ignorance and apathy. It'll back fire. Scotland isn't nearly as ignorant and apathetic politically than engurland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Oh FFS. England and Scotland have about a 90% overlap. You both even vote in the same way. Both regions gave significant majorities to small-minded xenophobic secessionist politicians. We have far more in common with the Republic of Ireland than we do with England. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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