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31 minutes ago, Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo said:

The numbers are being misrepresented though. Quick check (correct me if I'm wrong, please): Per GERS defence spend is £3.3billion, GDP is £180billion, so % of GDP is 1.8%. Whoever has done the calc hasn't used the correct figures for that table. 

They are not correct. Apparently the original was lifted from Wikipedia. However the entry was changed very recently (🤔) to add the dodgy stats. Whoever originally done the sums and put the stats out on social media didn't fact check.🤣

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1 hour ago, Double Jack D said:

So who's making the money out of Scotlands oil and who's letting them do it?

Why is oil the other side of an imaginary line in the same sea generating so much money for Norway?

Perhaps this has something to do with it.   

The numbers are the real time value.

Norwegian Oil Fund

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Malky is really needing to spend more time with his family, then again maybe that's why he's on here as often, they don't want him either.

You can immerse yourself in all the pedantry and critique you want, Malky boy.

If you honestly think that all is well with Westminster, I would have you down as delusional, and as for your "I'm alright Jack" attitude, makes you part of the problem.

Can I make it very clear, this is a statement. I really do not require a reply.

If you cant help yourself, which up until now, judging by this thread, you cant. Then don't expect an answer

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59 minutes ago, Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo said:

The numbers are being misrepresented though. Quick check (correct me if I'm wrong, please): Per GERS defence spend is £3.3billion, GDP is £180billion, so % of GDP is 1.8%. Whoever has done the calc hasn't used the correct figures for that table. 

You're right - it is 5.27% of revenue, not GDP. The table is wrong. Your calculation is correct. 

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On 22/08/2019 at 20:46, Malky3 said:

Are you sure you are even Scottish? 

Apologies for quoting him, but this sounds like the sort of question that some Brexit voters might ask of a third generation immigrant with a non-white skin colouring.

Nasty racist little Brexiteers.

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1 hour ago, Double Jack D said:

So who's making the money out of Scotlands oil and who's letting them do it?

Why is oil the other side of an imaginary line in the same sea generating so much money for Norway?

Oh dear. Forget Standard Grade, this is Primary School economics. Is your real name Derek MacKay by any chance? 

If you sell £30Bn worth of oil, but then have to invest £29Bn in new technology, infrastructure, equipment, research and development etc then your annual profit is £1Bn, which is what you will pay corporation tax on. It's really quite simple. 

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26 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said:

Apologies for quoting him, but this sounds like the sort of question that some Brexit voters might ask of a third generation immigrant with a non-white skin colouring.

Nasty racist little Brexiteers.

What a load of out of context shite. It's a really desperate tactic from a raging xenophobe who is completely devoid of positive arguments as to why Scotland would be better going on its own. 

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Oh dear. Forget Standard Grade, this is Primary School economics. Is your real name Derek MacKay by any chance?  If you sell £30Bn worth of oil, but then have to invest £29Bn in new technology, infrastructure, equipment, research and development etc then your annual profit is £1Bn, which is what you will pay corporation tax on. It's really quite simple. 

 

 

Oh dear, it’s really not that simple.

Oil production in Norway is dominated by Equinor. Without using your best friend Google, I’ll give you two guesses who the majority stakeholder in Equinor is therefore taking the majority of profit/dividend.

 

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Oh dear, it’s really not that simple.
Oil production in the Norway is dominated by Equinor. Without using your best friend Google, I’ll give you two guesses who the majority stakeholder in Equinor is, therefore taking the majority of profit/dividend.
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I did wonder when it would get round to him not knowing who owns Equinor...

I don't speak Norwegian but maybe Statoil was a more obvious name for a thicko to understand......
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1 hour ago, MONKMAN said:

 

Oh dear, it’s really not that simple.

Oil production in Norway is dominated by Equinor. Without using your best friend Google, I’ll give you two guesses who the majority stakeholder in Equinor is therefore taking the majority of profit/dividend.

 

Ah, so your plan for a new Scotland is to nationalise the OIl Industry - in the same way that the SNP have nationalised Prestwick Airport and are proposing to nationalise Fergusons Shipbuilding Yard and we are to believe that for the first time they will be able to turn a profit. How much will it cost the Scottish taxpayer to nationalise the oil fields? And what public services will be cut to facilitate this? 

 

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^^^ Hilarious, especially the hopeless attempt to portray yourself as the victim.

Personally, I particularly enjoyed your grammatical illiteracy. Perhaps you moght want to google "ellipsis" whilst you google "Statoil"

I just wonder how long the mods will put up with your pathetic trolling.

Tick tock.

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3 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said:

^^^ Hilarious, especially the hopeless attempt to portray yourself as the victim.

I just wonder how long the mods will put up with your pathetic trolling.

Tick tock.

Another common trait of the Nationalist that really switches me off is this persistent and common desire to get anyone with an opposing opinion banned.  It's rather pathetic and it indicates a desire for a ridiculous level of censorship if Scotland was ever to become Independent. You'd be better off just staying silent. You damage your cause with every post. 

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Well, you’ve heard it, folks; the UK is going to become a terrifying, Orwellian hellhole of censorship and attacks on free speech because its Nationalists are now in charge of the asylum, and already cracking down on the “Remoaners” (including majority of Scottish voters) and, what was it the Daily Mail called them? Oh, “enemies of the people”.

More reason to leave the UK and it’s current macabre dance with the most sinister and repressive type of nationalism.

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8 hours ago, Malky3 said:

Ah, so your plan for a new Scotland is to nationalise the OIl Industry - in the same way that the SNP have nationalised Prestwick Airport and are proposing to nationalise Fergusons Shipbuilding Yard and we are to believe that for the first time they will be able to turn a profit. How much will it cost the Scottish taxpayer to nationalise the oil fields? And what public services will be cut to facilitate this? 

 

Who said anything about nationalising the oil industry? You were trying to be smart with your bullshit reasoning, when you clearly had no understanding of the workings of the Norwegian oil sector.

A quick google to get some information and you’re spouting more pish, off on a tangent about Prestwick airport. 

It comes as absolutely no shock that your family hates you, as your clearly an utter simpleton. The internet may well be one of the worlds greatest accomplishments but it has its faults, as it gives morons like yourself a platform to voice an opinion. 

Anyway, it’s Ayr away today so I’m signing off and wishing all a good day. 

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Who said anything about nationalising the oil industry? You were trying to be smart with your bullshit reasoning, when you clearly had no understanding of the workings of the Norwegian oil sector. A quick google to get some information and you’re spouting more pish, off on a tangent about Prestwick airport.  It comes as absolutely no shock that your family hates you, as your clearly an utter simpleton. The internet may well be one of the worlds greatest accomplishments but it has its faults, as it gives morons like yourself a platform to voice an opinion. 

Anyway, it’s Ayr away today so I’m signing off and wishing all a good day. 

 

 

It's a standard tack he uses - takes something you write and "interprets" it as being something else.  

 

A typical lying shitebag.

 

And when you pull him up with his own words quoted back at him he laughingly calls you a liar.

 

OBFA anyone?

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2 hours ago, MONKMAN said:

Who said anything about nationalising the oil industry? You were trying to be smart with your bullshit reasoning, when you clearly had no understanding of the workings of the Norwegian oil sector.

A quick google to get some information and you’re spouting more pish, off on a tangent about Prestwick airport. 

It comes as absolutely no shock that your family hates you, as your clearly an utter simpleton. The internet may well be one of the worlds greatest accomplishments but it has its faults, as it gives morons like yourself a platform to voice an opinion. 

Anyway, it’s Ayr away today so I’m signing off and wishing all a good day. 

Equinor is 67% owned by the state. Where would an independent Scotland get the revenue to take such a large shareholding in Shell, BP and Total? 

In Canada they had their own oil company Petro Canada. They sold it off cause it was a loss making business. In Venezuela PDVSA - their national state owned oil company - has wrecked their economy and left most of the population starving. Yet some stupid nationalists wanting a similarly Socialist State think that a government described as using "Standard Grade Economics" by one of their biggest financial backers could do a better job. 

In Scotland our oil fields needed investment to get to extract greater reserves of the oil. The UK government supported this at a difficult time for the oil industry by giving tax incentives. This protected jobs and ensured Scotlands oil industry would continue to remain attractive - yet Nationalists attack this and decry figures produced by Scottish Government economists as Westminster rubbish without any credible evidence that at the figures are false. 

The Fraser and Allen Institute breaks down the figures showing how many of the simplistic allegations being made about the GERs report by Nationalists is simply wrong. They say the SNP Government has to come out and defend those figures as accurate. To date only the Scottish Finance Secretary has admitted the GERs Report is a fair and factual picture of the Scottish economy. Yet on here we see Nationalists who last week were referencing Fraser and Allen and telling me to read their reports are now decrying them as a Christmas Party sideshow. 

As I said previously the GERs report shows clearly why Scotland is Better Together in the UK union. Not because, as Nationalists tag it, because Scotland is an "economic basket case" but because together we are wealthy enough and diverse enough to support each other when Scottish banks are going bankrupt or when oil prices have fallen through the floor. 

Nationalists declare their patriotism and love for Scotland by wanting to make us all poorer. Driven by a hatred of England they don't care about the carnage they leave behind. Everything that opposes them needs abuse, ridicule and shutting up because there are no financial arguments that suggest Scotland would be better off financially if we reconstruct Hadrians Wall. Fortunately the real Scottish Patriots are the 55% who saved Scotland in the once in a generation referendum 2014 by voting No. Like the majority of Scots I don't want another costly and divisive referendum that would continue to damage the Scottish economy but if we have to go there again I'll be doing my duty as as a proud Scot and Ill be voting to remain in the Union. 

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FFS. We don't buy the oil fields. We change the structure so that we make more money. We never signed the contracts in the first place. They either like it or f**k off. I'm sure there would be other major oil companies queing up to take their place.

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