strichener Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 On 18/08/2019 at 19:30, Henderson to deliver ..... said: I thought we'd already cleared this up ? The trams were a City of Edinburgh Council vanity project. - The council wanted a tram network. - The council tried to introduce a congestion charge to pay for the network. - When the residents of Edinburgh rejected the congestion charge proposal, the council asked the government for funding. - The government, via grants from Transport Scotland agreed to provide funding for the project. - The council prepared a business case for approval by the Transport minister. 0092204_fc 21.12.06 10.00am item 08.4 (part 1).pdf 2.82 MB · 0 downloads It's a long and boring document tbh, but some interesting paragraphs... Key Players 3.10 There are four key players responsible for the delivery of an integrated transport system for Edinburgh:- The Council; Transport Scotland; Transport Edinburgh Ltd (TEL); and tie Ltd. Transport Scotland is the agency responsible for the delivery of the Scottish Executive’s transport investment programme and is the principal funder of Edinburgh’s tram project. The Council is the promoter of the Tram project and has been responsible for its inception through the Local Transport Strategy, and the promotion of Parliamentary Bills enabling its construction. Following Royal Assent the Council is now the “authorised undertaker’’ for Edinburgh Tram Lines 1 and 2 under their respective Acts. If the Council enters into any agreeements in its capacity as authorised undertaker the Council must notify Scottish Ministers accordingly. Relevant agreements in this regard at the present time include agreements with TEL (Operating Agreement and on maintenance demarcation which is in preparation) and with the District Valuer in connection with land acquisition. The Council is the sole or major shareholder in three limited companies all of whom play a vital role in Tram namely TEL, Lothian Buses and tie. 1. EXECUTIVE SUMMARY Background 1.1 Substantial road traffic growth across the Edinburgh area combined with forecast population and employment increases will lead to significant growth in road congestion and demand for transport solutions. To support the local economy, City of Edinburgh Council (CEC) has identified trams as the preferred way to provide the backbone for a comprehensive, higher quality public transport network to support the local economy and to help to create sustainable development. The Edinburgh Tram Network (“the tram”) has been central to transport policy and planning and the wider economic development aspirations of the City for more than six years. The scheme has had in-principle funding support from the Scottish Executive (now represented by Transport Scotland) since 2003. Substitute CEC for tfl, trams for Crossrail, TEL for Cross London Rail Links Ltd and Edinburgh Tram Lines 1 and 2 act for Crossrail 2008 Act. and the two projects are near identical in structure. If someone quotes Crossrail as a UK Government vanity project then the Trams cannot escape the same label for the Scottish Government. Quote - The council prepared a business case for approval by the Transport minister. I am surprised that @lichtgilpheadhasn't been on berating you for not putting the name and party in your post. Speaking of transport ministers and the trams. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 The City of London extracts wealth from the rest of the UK's regions, inquiry submission finds https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/14605/city-london-extracts-wealth-rest-uks-regions-inquiry-submission-finds But better together, right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 25 minutes ago, Deanburn Dave said: what does OBFA stand for ? Its an acronym for The Offensive Behaviour at Football (and Threatening Communications) Act. Unfortunately, Malky cut and paste some misleading information on this. He's been challenged on this numerous times, but instead either ignores or deflects. Which is strange, as he's quite quick to demand answers from other people or indeed, call them liars. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz FFC Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: The City of London extracts wealth from the rest of the UK's regions, inquiry submission finds https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/14605/city-london-extracts-wealth-rest-uks-regions-inquiry-submission-finds But better together, right? To be fair for England and London it's been fucking great. It's jolly nice that 55% of Scots want to look after them so much. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, strichener said: Substitute CEC for tfl, trams for Crossrail, TEL for Cross London Rail Links Ltd and Edinburgh Tram Lines 1 and 2 act for Crossrail 2008 Act. and the two projects are near identical in structure. If someone quotes Crossrail as a UK Government vanity project then the Trams cannot escape the same label for the Scottish Government. I am surprised that @lichtgilpheadhasn't been on berating you for not putting the name and party in your post. Speaking of transport ministers and the trams. Is this you admitting that the Edinburgh trams were not in fact a government vanity project, but an Edinburgh council one ? Or are you just being contrarian for the sake of it ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanburn Dave Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 32 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: Its an acronym for The Offensive Behaviour at Football (and Threatening Communications) Act. Unfortunately, Malky cut and paste some misleading information on this. He's been challenged on this numerous times, but instead either ignores or deflects. Which is strange, as he's quite quick to demand answers from other people or indeed, call them liars. Offensive Behaviour at Football !! ……….my only excuse for not knowing that is that it simply doesn't happen in the East of Scotland League. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 .....whilst Brother Blades tries to machine gun them all down. After all in his mind it doesn't matter how much it fucks up Scotland so long as it hurts the English moreYou are hilarious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blootoon87 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 The UK Government has stated it does not want a hard border with the ROI. The ROI Government has stated it does not want a hard border with the UK. Both sides are adamant they want to stick to the terms of the "Good Friday Agreement". The only party that appears to be insisting on a hard border is the EU. So how exactly are we going to "take back control of our borders" if we don't want a border? What exactly is the fucking point of Brexit? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 The UK Government has stated it does not want a hard border with the ROI. The ROI Government has stated it does not want a hard border with the UK. Both sides are adamant they want to stick to the terms of the "Good Friday Agreement". The only party that appears to be insisting on a hard border is the EU. LOL at this attempt to separate ROI from the EU for the sake of your argument. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, Blootoon87 said: 1 hour ago, Malky3 said: The UK Government has stated it does not want a hard border with the ROI. The ROI Government has stated it does not want a hard border with the UK. Both sides are adamant they want to stick to the terms of the "Good Friday Agreement". The only party that appears to be insisting on a hard border is the EU. So how exactly are we going to "take back control of our borders" if we don't want a border? What exactly is the fucking point of Brexit? It's simple. The UK border will stop foreigners (especially dark-skinned foreigners) from getting in, but will not hinder imports or exports of goods in any way whatsoever. How? By use of technology, unicorns & fairy-dust. It's obvious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 30 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: 2 hours ago, Malky3 said: The UK Government has stated it does not want a hard border with the ROI. The ROI Government has stated it does not want a hard border with the UK. Both sides are adamant they want to stick to the terms of the "Good Friday Agreement". The only party that appears to be insisting on a hard border is the EU. LOL at this attempt to separate ROI from the EU for the sake of your argument. Hardly. It's absolutely relevant. The ROI - a member of the EU - borders the UK. it doesn't want a hard border, neither does the UK but because of the lack of a Brexit agreement the EU is insisting on a hard border. If Scotland was ever stupid enough to vote for independence and then joined the EU (as per your example) it would put itself in exactly the same position as the ROI - one that the Irish PM calls a National Emergency. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky3 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: It's simple. The UK border will stop foreigners (especially dark-skinned foreigners) from getting in, but will not hinder imports or exports of goods in any way whatsoever. How? By use of technology, unicorns & fairy-dust. It's obvious. That's exactly the argument that was being put forward by Scottish Nationalists on here just a page or two ago. They argued we should forget the reality of what is happening right now with Brexit and simply assume that the EU will be fine with an open Scotland / England border. Oh and there's no need to worry about smuggling or migrants illegally crossing the border cause the Tweed is a bit cold, the Solway Firth is a bit dangerous, and the Keilder Forest is a bit dark and scary. The EU will be happy with that I'm sure! Edited August 20, 2019 by Malky3 -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 34 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: It's simple. The UK border will stop foreigners (especially dark-skinned foreigners) from getting in, but will not hinder imports or exports of goods in any way whatsoever. How? By use of technology, unicorns & fairy-dust. It's obvious. The troll has quoted my post above ^^. He seems to think I was being serious. It must have been the reference to unicorns & fairy dust. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: Trying to picture thousands of Cumbrian and Northumbrian refugees braving the icy cold depths of the Tweed to escape Brexit England and reach the promised land. Now thinking about migrants in rubber dinghys braving the North Sea and sailing the length of England before disembarking at Eyemouth and making their way back across the border to England. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: Now thinking about migrants in rubber dinghys braving the North Sea and sailing the length of England before disembarking at Eyemouth and making their way back across the border to England. You laugh but El Chapo is probably drawing up plans for a cocaine highway into Scotland through one of these border straddling forests. #bettertogether 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 18 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: You laugh but El Chapo is probably drawing up plans for a cocaine highway into Scotland through one of these border straddling forests. #bettertogether Me and the lads getting ready to smuggle bottles of Buckfast and Irn Bru across the border. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Malky3 said: True - Westminster knocked back the Withdrawal Agreement, which is where we came into this part of the conversation. One of the other forum members said that Sturgeon and the SNP had made a poor strategic mistake in rejecting the Withdrawal Agreement. A comment i'd agree very strongly with. I disagree. The continued backstop issue over Ireland stimulates it's push towards reunification and the ultimate break up of the United Kingdom. Strategically sound from our First Minister tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: Me and the lads getting ready to smuggle bottles of Buckfast and Irn Bru across the border. Could you smuggle some of the old Irn Bru into Scotland while you're at it? The newer stuff is shite. Ta. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 The UK Government has stated it does not want a hard border with the ROI. The ROI Government has stated it does not want a hard border with the UK. Both sides are adamant they want to stick to the terms of the "Good Friday Agreement". The only party that appears to be insisting on a hard border is the EU. The UK government insisted from the outset it didn't want freedom of movement. It could have pursued a soft Brexit but wanted to appease a minority of racists. Basically they thought they could keep the good bits and lose the bad bits and were roundly told to get to f**k. If a no deal happens and a hard border is the result it will be down to racist c***s in England and morons such as yourself who makes excuses for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Now thinking about migrants in rubber dinghys braving the North Sea and sailing the length of England before disembarking at Eyemouth and making their way back across the border to England.Don't understand why poor Africans don't sail to a point in the thousands of miles of unguarded Norwegian coastline then they can simply walk all the way, through forests and stuff, to a nice country like Germany. Baffles me so it does. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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