When will indyref2 happen?

[Tibbermoresaint]

1 minute ago, Malky3 said:

What facts? Do you even know what a fact is? You stated your personal opinion on a statement that had never been made by anyone on this thread. You then followed that with a bit of gossip. 

 

Nice obfuscation. If you think the facts I post are incorrect then say so and provide evidence to the contrary.

[Malky3]

4 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said:

Nice obfuscation. If you think the facts I post are incorrect then say so and provide evidence to the contrary.

What facts? 

[pawpar]

Barred Malky3 when he started his racist bollocks. Have decided that I will start blocking posters who reply to his racist crap. DON'T FEED THE TROLL. 

[Malky3]

1 hour ago, pawpar said:

Barred Malky3 when he started his racist bollocks. Have decided that I will start blocking posters who reply to his racist crap. DON'T FEED THE TROLL. 

Eh?

[Antlion]

23 hours ago, Malky3 said:

It's been bad, I agree. But to have a second long drawn out divorce leaving us with a ridiculous hard border with our nearest neighbour - that would be catastrophic

The absolute dearth of regionalist argument in evidence again. No longer even any pretence at the UK being better together anymore - it’s entirely “yes, it’s bad, but not as bad as trying to govern yourselves”.  Are UKNats not even the slightest bit dismayed that since 2014 their own nationalism has reduced their economic case for dependence to this? You bent the knee, you waved your Union Jack, you professed loyalism to precious precious dependence, and the English and Welsh still elected to fling you under the bus and reduce you to this.

Edited August 4, 2019 by Antlion

[Malky3]

1 hour ago, Antlion said:

The absolute dearth of regionalist argument in evidence again. No longer even any pretence at the UK being better together anymore - it’s entirely “yes, it’s bad, but not as bad as trying to govern yourselves”.  Are UKNats not even the slightest bit dismayed that since 2014 their own nationalism has reduced their economic case for dependence to this? You bent the knee, you waved your Union Jack, you professed loyalism to precious precious dependence, and the English and Welsh still elected to fling you under the bus and reduce you to this.

I didn't do any such thing. I voted to protect what my family had. We've already established that. Since 2014 I have bought a larger house, new cars, paid off debt and accumulated more savings. I've continued to work for an English company. I'd imagine many other Scots have successfully done the same - all in a period where the SNP had got its sums massively wrong in their White Paper and where instead of rocketing to all time highs the price of oil fell through the floor. 

I think the last five years have shown we are undoubtedly Better Together. Only a Nationalist lemming would think otherwise. 

What is noticeable is just how negative the nationalist campaign has become. Last time round you wanted to sell us fairies, unicorns and big pots of gold at the end of the rainbow. This time round its "boris is a w****r", "your divorce is pure shite, let us show you how to really get divorced*, and" Eton is rubbish by the way". You can't even prove the EU would have Scotland back on the same terms if we ever left the UK. This time round you aren't even good snake oil salesmen. Its really poor stuff. 

Edited August 4, 2019 by Malky3

[dirty dingus]

[Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier]

43 minutes ago, Malky3 said:

I didn't do any such thing. I voted to protect what my family had. We've already established that. Since 2014 I have bought a larger house, new cars, paid off debt and accumulated more savings. I've continued to work for an English company. I'd imagine many other Scots have successfully done the same - all in a period where the SNP had got its sums massively wrong in their White Paper and where instead of rocketing to all time highs the price of oil fell through the floor. 

I think the last five years have shown we are undoubtedly Better Together. Only a Nationalist lemming would think otherwise. 

Really you took the'I'm alright Jack, f**k you'policy instead of thinking what's right for the country. I voted to remain. What a hell of a mistake that was. I believe Scotland is doing ok due to a lot of Scottish governments actions in spite of the potential Brexit. 

A no deal will undoubtedly lead to severe problems for the whole of the UK and Scotland is being dragged out of Eurozone against its will. It is now blindingly obvious that with an arch right wing government we have, who dont give a rats about the people who they represent and only of themselves and their rich pals that Scotland needs to break with the UK and tie itself firmly to Europe.

[Malky3]

22 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said:

Really you took the'I'm alright Jack, f**k you'policy instead of thinking what's right for the country. I voted to remain. What a hell of a mistake that was. I believe Scotland is doing ok due to a lot of Scottish governments actions in spite of the potential Brexit. 

A no deal will undoubtedly lead to severe problems for the whole of the UK and Scotland is being dragged out of Eurozone against its will. It is now blindingly obvious that with an arch right wing government we have, who dont give a rats about the people who they represent and only of themselves and their rich pals that Scotland needs to break with the UK and tie itself firmly to Europe.

Its the only measure that is factual. I know what I have and things are pretty good. I could claim the same for my friends, family, work colleagues etc but that wouldn't be factual cause I have no idea what their status is despite their apparent prosperity. The only downsides to my relative wealth and prosperity in recent years have been down to the Scottish Government. I now have to pay more tax than my English work colleagues and the disastrous and baffling way the SNP handled the Scottish Police regrading would have had a negative effect on us if my wife hadn't been promoted immediately after it came into effect. 

We have no idea what the terms of Brexit will be yet, nor can we catagorically measure the effect. I personally believe it has damaged us already. Uncertainty will have put businesses off investing in the UK. So far the UK economy has coped though with low inflation, low interest rates and record high levels of people in employment. Todays news even reports new high levels of tourism as the low value of the pound proves highly attractive. Growth has been slow but the ecomony continue to grow regardless and I believe that once we have certainty, no matter what it is, business will quickly adapt and we'll see stronger growth as we catch up on where we should have been.

Thats my opinion which is as factual as the opinion you've posted predicting armageddon. However what you fail to cover in yours is how you think wandering from one bloody and costly  divorce into another will make it all better? Feel free to sell me a second costly and bloody divorce. What would be so good about it? 

 

[beefybake]

44 minutes ago, Malky3 said:

Its the only measure that is factual. I know what I have and things are pretty good. I could claim the same for my friends, family, work colleagues etc but that wouldn't be factual cause I have no idea what their status is despite their apparent prosperity. The only downsides to my relative wealth and prosperity in recent years have been down to the Scottish Government. I now have to pay more tax than my English work colleagues and the disastrous and baffling way the SNP handled the Scottish Police regrading would have had a negative effect on us if my wife hadn't been promoted immediately after it came into effect. 

We have no idea what the terms of Brexit will be yet, nor can we catagorically measure the effect. I personally believe it has damaged us already. Uncertainty will have put businesses off investing in the UK. So far the UK economy has coped though with low inflation, low interest rates and record high levels of people in employment. Todays news even reports new high levels of tourism as the low value of the pound proves highly attractive. Growth has been slow but the ecomony continue to grow regardless and I believe that once we have certainty, no matter what it is, business will quickly adapt and we'll see stronger growth as we catch up on where we should have been.

Thats my opinion which is as factual as the opinion you've posted predicting armageddon. However what you fail to cover in yours is how you think wandering from one bloody and costly  divorce into another will make it all better? Feel free to sell me a second costly and bloody divorce. What would be so good about it? 

 

The downside to your relative wealth and prosperity is in fact... your alright jack attitude.   Because when things get sticky, or tragedy strikes... as it does to all of us...

you'll actually find out who your friends are.  And if, they are all similar to you with your alright jack attitude,

you are, scuse me,  ****ed.

[Malky3]

4 hours ago, beefybake said:

The downside to your relative wealth and prosperity is in fact... your alright jack attitude.   Because when things get sticky, or tragedy strikes... as it does to all of us...

you'll actually find out who your friends are.  And if, they are all similar to you with your alright jack attitude,

you are, scuse me,  ****ed.

This is the mistake you make, along with other Nationalists, when it comes to debating politics. You assume that because someone doesn't back an Independent Scotland they must be Conservative voting, brexit supporting, fascist racists who loathe everything but themselves. It's not true of me, or - I would venture - many of the 55% of Scots who voted No at the last Independence Referendum. Truth it regardless of political ideology we're all going to be pretty much the same. 

I have explained the rational I applied to my voting in both the last Independence Referendum and in the EU Referendum. To my mind it's entirely consistent, practical, measurable and justifiable. It applies to me, to my family and the trend can be seen all along my family tree. It also appears to work for most of my friends and their families, although I can't be 100% certain of that because having a big house and driving a Jaguar isn't necessarily proof of prosperity these days. I can also see it around me, in Glasgow where I grew up as most of the City has improved - the one real notable exception being the First Ministers constituency which has definitely deteriorated since I was a boy growing up in the Southside.

Do we all need a radical political change? What exactly would Scottish Independence do for the minority who seem to be failing and what evidence is there that the SNP could ever deliver it - especially since they seem to spend around £10Bn - £14Bn more than the country raises in taxes every single year. Is more economic instability and uncertainty likely to get the few remaining unemployed Scots into work? Is a hard border between Scotland and England likely to cure the drug epidemic that has blighted our country ever since the SNP took office at Hollyrood? How many Nationalists are putting the lives of others ahead of their own political dogma and their ideological agenda? Or is it just a case of you hating the English so much you would put up with absolutely anything just to disassociate yourself from them politically? 

[Benjamin_Nevis]

Kudos to anyone that can be arsed reading this Malky3 character's posts in full [emoji23]

[beefybake]

46 minutes ago, Malky3 said:

This is the mistake you make, along with other Nationalists, when it comes to debating politics. You assume that because someone doesn't back an Independent Scotland they must be Conservative voting, brexit supporting, fascist racists who loathe everything but themselves. It's not true of me, or - I would venture - many of the 55% of Scots who voted No at the last Independence Referendum. Truth it regardless of political ideology we're all going to be pretty much the same. 

I have explained the rational I applied to my voting in both the last Independence Referendum and in the EU Referendum. To my mind it's entirely consistent, practical, measurable and justifiable. It applies to me, to my family and the trend can be seen all along my family tree. It also appears to work for most of my friends and their families, although I can't be 100% certain of that because having a big house and driving a Jaguar isn't necessarily proof of prosperity these days. I can also see it around me, in Glasgow where I grew up as most of the City has improved - the one real notable exception being the First Ministers constituency which has definitely deteriorated since I was a boy growing up in the Southside.

Do we all need a radical political change? What exactly would Scottish Independence do for the minority who seem to be failing and what evidence is there that the SNP could ever deliver it - especially since they seem to spend around £10Bn - £14Bn more than the country raises in taxes every single year. Is more economic instability and uncertainty likely to get the few remaining unemployed Scots into work? Is a hard border between Scotland and England likely to cure the drug epidemic that has blighted our country ever since the SNP took office at Hollyrood? How many Nationalists are putting the lives of others ahead of their own political dogma and their ideological agenda? Or is it just a case of you hating the English so much you would put up with absolutely anything just to disassociate yourself from them politically? 

You actually know very little beyond your own view of life, and your own ideologies, which are fairly obvious. 

 

[Malky3]

2 minutes ago, beefybake said:

You actually know very little beyond your own view of life, and your own ideologies, which are fairly obvious. 

 

Ok, but can you tell me how another divorce would help Scotlands underclass? Would you stop donating to foodbanks? 

Edited August 4, 2019 by Malky3

[Malky3]

Just now, MixuFixit said:

We wouldn't need to.

Ok - why?

[Detournement]

1 minute ago, MixuFixit said:

We wouldn't need to.

Sterlingisation guarantees a decade of further austerity so I wouldn't make that assumption.

Edited August 4, 2019 by Detournement

[Malky3]

4 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Sterlingisation guarantees a decade of further austerity so I would make that assumption.

It would indeed. An Independent Scotland wouldn't be able to run a deficit. I'm not quite sure how that would lead you to make the assumption that food banks wouldn't be needed though. 

[Detournement]

11 minutes ago, Malky3 said:

It would indeed. An Independent Scotland wouldn't be able to run a deficit. I'm not quite sure how that would lead you to make the assumption that food banks wouldn't be needed though. 

Typo. I meant wouldn't.

[Malky3]

11 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

The next 50 years of occasional Labour government having its record reversed by regular Tory governments, or not that. Those are your choices.

The last 80+ years of the same pattern have served Scotland well so I don't see any reason to fear the next 50 following the same route. What does interest me though is how you can be so certain that the dividing lines post independence wouldn't follow the same pattern. I'm sure regardless of how the parties choose to name themselves the battle lines would still be drawn as right centrist v left centrist. I certainly can't see Scotland becoming a Communist or Socialist nation. 

What is your utopia MixuFixit? What do you think an Independent Scotland could achieve whilst having to find £10Bn - £14Bn per annum worth of cuts? 

Edited August 4, 2019 by Malky3

[Malky3]

Just now, MixuFixit said:

I disagree.

Ok. Maybe you are aware of plans amongst the nationalist movement for a totalitarian dictatorship post Independence that I haven't been privy to. Personally I can't see anything that would suggest other than Scotland following the same left versus right political battle that has always existed in Scotland.