John Lambies Doos Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 What is your single sentence counter to "Scotland trades more with rUK than the EU?"Answer. Ireland trades more with rUK than EU and is doing absolutely fine. Oh and btw has no oil. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 On the other hand I think it is also perfectly legitimate to argue that Scotland voted in 2014 to remain part of the UK and as a consequence of that they must abide by the result of any UK wide referendum, even if the end result does not reflect how people in Scotland voted. I hear this argument alot from people in the pro-uk/leave camp. If we must accept the UK wide referendum then why does Gibraltar and Northern Ireland get a special deal? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: What is your single sentence counter to "Scotland trades more with rUK than the EU?" "Scotland trades more with the EU through rUK than it does with rUK only." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 Ireland is projected to lose 2-6% of GDP depending on the flavour of Brexit. 2008 crash was at the 2% end.But that's not the question you asked is it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 1 minute ago, BawWatchin said: "Scotland trades more with the EU through rUK than it does with rUK only." This. Well played, sir. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: What is your single sentence counter to "Scotland trades more with rUK than the EU?" Trade with the UK will not cease after independence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 What is your single sentence counter to "Scotland trades more with rUK than the EU?"Should the UK leave the EU it will do so with a trade deal, this means we can have frictionless trade, the EU will be the bigger partner in this trade deal so the terms would be favourable to Scotland. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, GTG_03 said: Being out of the EU will most certainly be economically damaging but will we actually leave? if we don't will there still be indyref2 ? I don't see much has changed from the FM'S statement today. her hands are tied until Westminster sort their shit out. We will definitely leave, or many politicians in England will pay with their job, and some maybe with more than that. If we don't there is no mandate for indyref2 so it wouldn't happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 No but it is why your answer was not persuasive.Seemed fairly persuasive to me. Ireland is doing and will do just fine. As would Scotland if more people believed in her. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 1 minute ago, MixuFixit said: Trade with the EU will not cease after Brexit. No but will be on less favourable terms for the UK than right now. We have a choice of being in the club with the great deal or in the club with the shit deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: What is your single sentence counter to "Scotland trades more with rUK than the EU?" The UK doesn’t and won’t only ever trade with countries it owns. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 A Brexit potentially 3x as impactful as 2008 is not my idea of Ireland doing fine.Mixu, you're a good poster and better than that. You need to understand Ireland's economy in 2008, It was sewn up in property. Ireland will be perfectly fine charting its own route. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 1 minute ago, John Lambies Doos said: 5 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: A Brexit potentially 3x as impactful as 2008 is not my idea of Ireland doing fine. Mixu, you're a good poster and better than that. You need to understand Ireland's economy in 2008, It was sewn up in property. Ireland will be perfectly fine charting its own route. Ireland is booming right now with businesses relocating from London to Dublin because of brexit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 Brexit damaging your economy doesn’t strike me as a good reason to remain in union with the people that caused it. We have to stay with them or they’ll punish us is no state of affairs to be in by choice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: A Brexit potentially 3x as impactful as 2008 is not my idea of Ireland doing fine. What would you have Ireland do? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 20 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: What is your single sentence counter to "Scotland trades more with rUK than the EU?" Scotland is the rUK's second-largest export market. It is in the interests of neither party for there to be obstacles to this trade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 That's the best one so far imo.Within the EU we will have an equal voice on matters and be viewed as equal partners by Spain, France and Germany, whereas we are derided and taken advantage of by the UK imo. It seems like a no brainer, go where you are wanted rather than go where you are abused. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rodhull said: Brexit damaging your economy doesn’t strike me as a good reason to remain in union with the people that caused it. We have to stay with them or they’ll punish us is no state of affairs to be in by choice. Amazingly, the UK nats’ best (only?) argument now seems to be, “you’d better live with the shit-stained mess we’ve created because governing yourselves would be even smellier”. How the mighty have fallen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: The awful thing is that remains a powerful message to the people we need to change their vote. It would help if pro-independence politicians publicly called out UK politicians for admitting that the UK is failing as a state whenever they even tacitly acknowledge that Brexit is a disaster (even if they only do it to disparage Scotland’s future viability). Similarly, those who still claim Brexit is a great opportunity need to be called out for denying Scotland the opportunities of freedom from political union. Basically, the UK nats are currently leaving themselves wide open and independence supporters need to take advantage of their hypocrisy and double-think. Edited April 24, 2019 by Antlion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 I'm just stress testing your points as they'll be the kinds of things undecideds will worry about. You're trying to convince the more risk averse part of the population more than ever this time.You mean the shitebags that will lap up everything the state owned media throw at them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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